Kerry Fleischer — Introduced as a panelist and director at the California Public Utilities Commission.
Claire Braco — Introduced as a panelist from Pacific Gas and Electric Company.
Claire Braco — Identifies herself as a representative of Pacific Gas and Electric Company and describes PG&E's energy efficiency portfolio.
Luana Medina — Introduced as a panelist from the County of Los Angeles.
Luana Medina — Introduced herself as the Portfolio Administrative Manager for the Southern California Regional Energy Network and outlined the topics she would discuss.
Laurel Rothschild — Introduced as Vice President of the Energy Coalition.
Laurel Rothschild — Introduces herself as Vice President of Energy Programs at the Energy Coalition.
Spencer Lipp — Introduced as a professional engineer and director of engineering at Future Energy Enterprises.
Spencer Lipp — Spencer Lipp introduced himself as CalTF staff and began his testimony, clarifying that his remarks reflect the views of CalTF staff only and not those of CalTF members or the CalTF Policy Advisory Committee.
Shelley Lyser — Introduced as Senior Energy Program Manager at the Public Advocates Office.
Director Fleischer — The chair indicates the first panelist will begin speaking.
Carrie Fletcher / Kerry Fleischer — The first witness identifies herself and gives her title at the California Public Utilities Commission.
Ms. Braco — Introduced as the next speaker after the prior presentation concludes.
Ms. Medina — Introduced as the next witness, representing the County of Los Angeles.
Ms. Medina — Cited for making the point that TRC should be a consistent metric across demand-side programs.
Ms. Flager — Referenced as having mentioned SoCalREN earlier.
Laurel — Referenced as the colleague who will discuss the loading order.
Laurel — Referenced as having previously discussed how higher-efficiency equipment can score lower under TRC.
Laurel — Referenced as having shared math or ideas related to the tests.
Cottie Petrie-Norris — Addressed as Chair Petrie-Norris.
Cottie Petrie-Norris — Addressed as Chair Petrie-Norris.
Luana — Referenced as having previously discussed workforce training, evaluation and verification.
Spencer — Referenced as someone who will speak next about the total resource cost test.
Spencer — Cited as having previously discussed the difficulty of quantifying benefits such as health, comfort, and safety.
Spencer — Spencer is invited twice to weigh in on the committee’s discussion, first on valuation differences and then on the explanation regarding unequal treatment of energy efficiency, indicating a continuing request for his input on the same broader issue.
Spencer — Referenced as having spoken earlier today about the electronic TRM.
Ms. Leiser / Shelley Leiser — Introduced as the last speaker.
Shelley Leiser — Introduced herself and identified her role at the Public Advocates Office.
Jacqui Irwin — The chair called on Assembly Member Jacqui Irwin, and she was referenced in the same exchange as part of a question about whether energy efficiency programs make up 1.5% of the bill.
Lisa Calderon — The speaker yields to Lisa Calderon, who then comments that she appreciates everyone being there but finds the math overly complicated and difficult to explain to constituents.
Lisa Calderon — The speaker agrees with Assembly Member Calderon's comment.
Lisa Calderon — The speaker addresses Assemblymember Calderon and the committee, saying they have a fiduciary duty to inform the public about spending.
Chris Rogers — The chair notes that Mr. Rogers has a question, and Mr. Rogers responds by saying he had originally planned to ask about inputs into the equation but will instead make a statement about the discussion.
Chris Rogers — The speaker discusses Chris Rogers’ examples and suggestions about evaluating programs that support the grid, noting that some initiatives may not be strictly dollar-for-dollar cost effective but can still be worthwhile. The speaker agrees with Rogers’ point that such programs may need to be judged using more than one metric, and later references Rogers’ energy center example as part of the same broader explanation of the program’s purpose.
Mr. Rothschild — His chart on page seven was cited as showing that energy efficiency is the most efficient use of dollars for addressing climate change.
Tanya — Was asked to explain why energy efficiency and demand-side programs are valued differently and to elaborate on shared math and both sides of the meter.
Mr. Lipp — Mr. Lipp is referenced twice during the same discussion: first as someone who could respond but had nothing further to add unless asked specific questions, and later as part of a continued exchange about whether he agrees with the recommendations. Together, these mentions form one coherent moment about his role in the discussion and his position on the recommendations.
Ms. Lyser — Clarified that demand response and other demand-side programs use different baseline methods and counterfactual calculations.
Ms. Rothschild — Ms. Rothschild is referenced as the source of an additional recommendation that was not included on the slide, with the speaker clarifying that this recommendation was not written out in the materials.
Ms. Medita — Cited as having spoken at length about the value of programs reaching all areas of the state.
Alexa — Alexa was publicly thanked for her contributions to the hearing, including serving as a science fellow with the Utilities and Energy Committee and helping organize the hearing, as well as preparing the backgrounder.
Vince We're at Maja — Introduced himself as being with MCE and thanked the committee for the hearing.
Nate Deward — Identified himself as being from Energy Solutions and testified in support of energy efficiency.
San Diego Community Power representative — Testified on behalf of San Diego Community Power and SD-REN.
Becky Menton — Becky Menton of the Building Decarbonization Coalition Action Fund testified in support of energy efficiency and building decarbonization programs, emphasizing that they are cost-effective and beneficial for ratepayers. She highlighted the strong performance of these programs in California, noting substantial benefits relative to each dollar invested, and argued that program goals should continue to evolve with the energy system. She also stressed the importance of reliable, multi-year funding and continued discussion to sustain these successful programs.
Alicia Priago — Alicia Priago, speaking on behalf of San Jose Clean Energy, testified in support of energy efficiency programs and stable funding. She explained that the utility’s public-funded programs have delivered more than $13 million in customer savings, reduced greenhouse gas emissions, and depend on reliable funding to continue producing these benefits.
Caitlin McGee — Introduced herself as Senior Key Accounts Program Manager for Clean Energy Alliance.
Julia Hatton — Julia Hatton, CEO of Rising Sun Center for Opportunity, testified about how energy efficiency funding supports the organization’s work in underserved communities. She described the program’s broad impact, including serving more than 68,000 households, employing over 2,000 young people, and providing opportunities for first-time workers to gain experience by going into homes in their own communities. She emphasized that the funding source is especially valuable because it is stable and reliable, allowing the organization to deliver workforce development and direct community benefits.
Clifton Wilson — Testified on behalf of the Marin County Board of Supervisors in support of energy efficiency programs.
Dylan Hoffman — Dylan Hoffman, speaking on behalf of StopWaste, testified in support of energy efficiency programs, describing them as an important affordability tool for both individual customers and the broader energy system. He emphasized their value for grid reliability and the need for predictable funding to sustain them.