Washington 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Law & Justice Dec 4th, 2025 at 10:30 am

Senate Law & Justice Committee

Event Log

  • Yasmin Trudeau — Vice Chair Yasmin Trudeau opened the meeting by noting she was stepping in for Chair Dhingra, and shortly afterward was greeted as Vice Chair Trudeau at the start of testimony.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — Thanked as Vice Chair for the opportunity to speak.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — The speaker references the east side and regional staffing; no direct speaker ID, but this is in committee Q&A with the Vice Chair presiding.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — The speaker addresses the Madam Co-Chair; likely Vice Chair Trudeau.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — Grace O'Connor thanks Vice Chair Trudeau in her opening remarks.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — Yasmin Trudeau is addressed as Vice Chair in the opening remarks and again at the start of testimony, with both mentions serving the same introductory purpose.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — Derek Young addresses Vice Chair Trudeau in his opening remarks.
  • Yasmin Trudeau — The speaker directly addressed Vice Chair Yasmin Trudeau and the committee leadership, emphasizing that the counties are doing everything they can and urging legislative action.
  • Manka Dhingra — Referenced as the Chair who was absent and whose approach to running the committee was praised.
  • Manka Dhingra — The speaker addressed the Chair as 'Madam Chair.'
  • Manka Dhingra — Addressed as Madam Chair during the exchange.
  • Manka Dhingra — The speaker addressed the senators generally, including the committee chair by implication.
  • Jeff Holy — Jeff Holy was introduced and identified himself as the Ranking Member from the 6th District on the west side of Spokane County, and he was then addressed as Ranking Member Holy at the start of testimony.
  • Jeff Holy — A committee member asked to wait and ask questions after Judge Ferreira.
  • Jeff Holy — The chair addressed Member Holy in the committee question period.
  • Jeff Holy — Member Holy began a question/comment about the legislation and coordination problems among agencies.
  • Jeff Holy — Thanked as Ranking Member for the opportunity to speak.
  • Jeff Holy — Ranking Member Jeff Holy was recognized to ask a question about pro bono services, specifically whether they are provided statewide and whether they are funded by the bar association or supported through state grant money.
  • Jeff Holy — Senator Torres references Senator Holy as also having those areas.
  • Jeff Holy — Grace O'Connor thanks Ranking Member Holy in her opening remarks.
  • Jeff Holy — Jeff Holy is addressed as the Ranking Member in the opening remarks and again at the start of testimony, with both mentions serving the same introductory purpose.
  • Jeff Holy — The speaker briefly predicts that Jeff Holy will comment on the data issue, then directly addresses Ranking Member Holy in opening remarks, keeping the discussion focused on the same exchange.
  • Jeff Holy — The speaker addressed Ranking Member Holy directly at the start of testimony.
  • Javier Valdez — Javier Valdez is called on for introductions and then introduces himself as representing the 46th District, Northeast Seattle.
  • Javier Valdez — Identified as the sponsor of Senate Bill 5427.
  • Javier Valdez — Senator Javier Valdez was called on for questions and then asked how the hotline’s first five months of report volume compares with Oregon’s model, while also thanking the presenters for their work and advisory committee.
  • Keith Wagoner — Introduced himself as representing the 39th Legislative District in parts of Skagit and Snohomish County.
  • Keith Wagoner — Asked what is required to expand AOT to other counties and whether the barrier is criteria or funding.
  • Keith Wagoner — The chair repeatedly notes that Senator Keith Wagoner is next in the question queue, then Senator Wagoner asks about how local cooperation has been and how the departments have reacted to the issue.
  • Jesse Salomon — Introduced himself as representing the 32nd District, North King and South Snohomish.
  • Jesse Salomon — Jesse Salomon participates in a discussion about public defense staffing and workload, noting that he previously left trial practice and served as a public defender. He questions whether the proposed standards imply needing three times as many attorneys, then follows up on whether surveillance footage, social media, and other technology-based evidence are driving increased attorney time per case and whether some of that review could be handled by paralegals. The exchange also references the burden of reviewing jail calls as part of the same workload issue.
  • Jesse Salomon — Senator Jesse Salomon is referenced repeatedly in the context of a broader discussion about public defense staffing shortages and caseload pressures. The speaker cites Salomon’s earlier point about the need to triple the workforce and connects it to related concerns about systemic overload and the impact of insufficient staffing.
  • John Lovick — John Lovick introduced himself as the representative for the 44th District in Snohomish County, and his introduction was completed and acknowledged as the meeting transitioned to agenda items.
  • John Lovick — The chair calls on Senator John Lovick to ask a question; the transcript also renders the name as 'Senator Lubbock,' but this is the same call to Lovick and not a separate discussion.
  • John Lovick — Referenced as someone who knows about the burden of reviewing jail calls.
  • Tisha Kirshbaum — Tisha Kirshbaum of the Health Care Authority was introduced and invited to provide an update on assisted outpatient treatment (AOT) and Joel’s law. She then identified herself as the Division Director of Behavioral Health and Recovery and began her presentation on AOT implementation.
  • Tisha Kirshbaum — Answered that expansion depends on partnership and willingness between the court and treatment systems, with funding available through BHAs.
  • Tisha Kirshbaum — The chair thanks Tisha for her update before moving to the next presenters.
  • Tisha Kirshbaum — Tisha Kirshbaum reintroduces herself and begins a brief overview of Joel's Law.
  • Tisha Kirshbaum — The chair thanks Tisha again after her presentation.
  • Menna Al-Gamol — Invited from the Attorney General's office to talk about the hate crimes hotline.
  • Menna Al-Gamol — The chair tells Menna she may stay seated while the judges go first.
  • Nikki Torres — The chair notes that Senator Nikki Torres has joined the meeting and invites her to give a brief introduction. Senator Torres then introduces herself as the State Senator for the 15th Legislative District and greets the committee.
  • Nikki Torres — Senator Nikki Torres was recognized and thanked the presenter, then asked why callers do not request follow-up and requested information on the geographic areas and any available demographic data for the 37% of calls coming from outside the county.
  • Nikki Torres — The chair notes Senator Torres is in the queue for questions.
  • Nikki Torres — The chair notes Senator Torres in the queue for questions.
  • Nikki Torres — The chair says Senator Torres will close out the discussion.
  • Nikki Torres — Senator Torres asks about Region 5 and 6 submissions, fatalities, and whether any came from those regions.
  • Nikki Torres — Senator Torres follows up asking who makes the notification calls.
  • Nikki Torres — Referenced as sponsoring legislation that helped with attorney recruitment in rural jurisdictions.