Video & Transcript Research : 'utilization controls'
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MS
Mississippi 2026 Regular Session
MS Senate Floor - 12 February, 2026; 9:30 AM
Mississippi Senate Floor Meeting
Transcript Highlights:
- Presumption of control.
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One, presumption of control. One, presumption of control. - mayors on their utility authority board. mayors on their utility authority board.
- their utility authority accountable. their utility authority accountable.
Summary:
The Senate convened with a quorum present, dispensed with the reading of the journal, committee reports, and bill titles, and heard an invocation and pledge. The early portion of the meeting focused on recognizing recipients of the 2026 Governor’s Arts Awards. The Senate adopted resolutions honoring Greg Harkins for excellence in traditional craft, Jesse Robinson for lifetime achievement in blues music, Heather Christian for excellence in music composition, the Mississippi Symphony Orchestra for excellence in performing arts, and Dorothy “Dottie” Armstrong for excellence in art education. The executive director of the Mississippi Arts Commission briefly thanked the senators and invited them to the evening awards ceremony.
The chamber also received several announcements and introductions, including recognition of the Mississippi Society of Radiologic Technologists’ Capitol Day and visiting students from several radiologic science programs. There was also mention of an out-of-order resolution commemorating the 155th anniversary of Alcorn State University, though no action on it was detailed in the excerpt.
On the calendar, the Senate took up Senate Bill 2915, which concerns alcoholic beverages, native wine retail permits, and festival permits. The bill was explained as a measure to support Mississippi’s native wineries by allowing free-standing tasting rooms in different parts of the state while maintaining tax collection; a committee substitute and a friendly amendment were adopted, and the bill passed by use of the morning roll call. The Senate then began consideration of Senate Bill 2828, the Money Transmission Modernization Act, which would impose transaction fees, create a Law Enforcement 287G Program Fund, provide an income tax credit for fees paid, and revise licensing and control definitions. After objections to the usual motion, the bill was read at length, but the excerpt ends before final action on that measure.
TX
Transcript Highlights:
- to be a guide for the control room operator.
- And you pay down an industrial system by having it utilized.
- You have data centers utilizing recycled wastewater.
- I think for the transmission and distribution utility, Oncor is a utility that we have been adding employees
- So I think making sure they have site control.
TX
Transcript Highlights:
- Or rather the local utility needed to know if for their four.
- You outline ERCOT's ability to direct the utility to deploy the customer's on-site backups.
- Does the direction mean the utility is responsible for curtailing the load?
- And then they send notice to that utility.
- . in their interconnection requests, they set milestones to the utility.
NM
New Mexico 2026 Regular Session
House - Energy, Environment and Natural Resources Feb 12th, 2026 at 08:33 am
House Energy, Environment & Natural Resources
Transcript Highlights:
- In New Mexico, less than 10% of wildfire starts can be attributed to utilities, but these same utilities
- It's not giving the utility an out and no lawsuits, but it's giving the ratepayer of that utility protection
- If a utility is in compliance with the plan set forward and accepted by the PRC, a utility could still
- I really do think that's the problem is this situation wasn't created by the utility, utilities.
- The electric utility wasn't prevented from complying with the plan, and the utility acted intentionally
CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Local Government Committee Apr 23rd, 2025
Transcript Highlights:
- And as you mentioned, it's not being utilized.
- Utilize.
- And we really want to make sure that this program is utilized the way you intended it to be utilized
- This bill preserves local control.
- Nolda Short, Shasta County Auditor-Controller.
Summary:
The Assembly Local Government Committee heard a full agenda of bills focused largely on housing, permitting reform, transportation governance, and local government finance. Early in the hearing, AB 24 by Assemblymember DeMaio proposed changing SANDAG board selection to give rural unincorporated areas a stronger voice; members raised concerns about the approach and local input, and the bill ultimately did not receive a second at the time it was heard. The chair later clarified that because no second was made, the bill was held rather than voted out, though the transcript also reflects confusion and later attempts to revisit the item.
Several housing and permitting bills advanced with committee amendments and broad support. AB 671 by Assemblymember Wicks would streamline restaurant permitting through self-certification and faster plan review; AB 920 by Assemblymember Caloza would require a centralized online portal for housing permit tracking in larger jurisdictions; AB 1061 by Assemblymember Kirk Silva would allow SB 9 housing in historic districts with limits to protect historic character; AB 818 by Assemblymember Anamarie Farías would streamline temporary manufactured housing after disasters; AB 660 by Assemblymember Wilson would tighten timelines and remedies for post-entitlement housing permits; AB 1308 by Assemblymember Hoover would allow third-party inspections for small residential projects if local inspections are delayed; and AB 1445 by Assemblymember Haney would expand downtown revitalization financing tools for mixed-use housing. Each of these measures drew support from housing, business, and industry groups, with some local-government and special-district stakeholders seeking continued amendments on certain bills.
The committee also approved AB 1156, which updates the solar use easement program to better accommodate renewable energy development on water-constrained agricultural lands, and AB 964, which would let local governments offset certain state mandate reimbursement debts against amounts the state owes them. AB 1223, by Assemblymember Wynn, would let Sacramento-area transportation authorities propose sales tax measures for portions of the county and keep revenues local; it advanced despite some transportation and taxpayer concerns. Consent items AB 36 and AB 1131 were also approved. Most bills were reported out on bipartisan votes, often with committee amendments and some members noting they would continue working on the measures in later committees.
MN
Minnesota 2025 1st Special Session
House panel hears bill to shift emergency authority from governor to Legislature, HF26 2/26/25
Minnesota House Floor Meeting
Transcript Highlights:
- To have one individual be able to have so much control and power over many aspects of our lives is what
- To have one individual be able to have so much control and power over many aspects of our lives is what
- To have one individual be able to have so much control and power over many aspects of our lives is what
- To have one individual be able to have so much control and power over many aspects of our lives is what
- <00:13:32.240>
and uh be able to have so much control and uh be able to have so much control
TX
Transcript Highlights:
- going to utilize too much.
- Mike: So I have to confess I'm an El Paso Water Utilities fanboy.
- That this utility services.
- And it was a utility in Houston where... it was a small mom and pop utility.
- We're going to be talking a little bit more about utility.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Elections Finance and Government Operations Committee 3/23/26
Elections Finance and Government Operations
Transcript Highlights:
- Chair and members of the committee, I'm Ken Sull with the Minnesota Municipal Utilities Association.
- Utilities Association. Utilities Association.
- and it uh created a process utilities and it uh created a process for<00:05:18.639>
decreasing legislation that removes local control legislation that removes local control and<01:14:26.239>< - Thank you. >> And next is Kelsey Clim. sure that those are utilized and sure that those are utilized
Keywords:
public utilities commission, Lake City, port authority, Red Wing, terms of appointment, local government, elections, open meeting law, transparency, public engagement, social media, government accountability, voter access, polling place, ballot, unexpected needs, election judge, public information, political parties, HF4295
CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Budget Subcommittee No. 4 on Climate Crisis, Resources, Energy, and Transportation Apr 8th, 2026
Transcript Highlights:
- I'm here to present Control Section 15.04, which doesn't sound very thrilling.
- It's a new operational efficiencies control section. Excuse me.
- I'm here to present Control Section 15.04, which doesn't sound very thrilling.
- It's a new operational efficiencies control section. Excuse me.
- You know, are controlled burns better than fire breaks?
Summary:
The subcommittee began by announcing a change in the agenda order, moving item 6 ahead of item 1 and then item 7, and noting there would be no votes taken on any items that day. Item 6 covered a proposed operational efficiencies control section for the Natural Resources Agency that would let multiple departments jointly fund landscape-scale or multi-jurisdictional projects and allow Finance to transfer climate bond funds to a lead state entity. The LAO said the proposal was reasonable but suggested the Legislature consider requiring summary notification on how it is used; Finance said it would consider that request.
Item 7 focused on the 2026-27 biodiversity and nature-based solutions spending plan. Finance and the Wildlife Conservation Board described the climate bond funding for habitat restoration, wildlife crossings, public access, tribal nature-based solutions, and related work, including $111 million proposed for WCB and $30 million for Salton Sea habitat and public access projects. The LAO supported the overall approach but flagged the San Andreas Corridor Program as an area where the Legislature may want to specify geographic priorities. Members discussed the pace of Salton Sea work and whether the proposed projects would count toward disadvantaged community goals.
Item 8 addressed Cal Fire’s aviation contract and staffing needs for wildfire response. Cal Fire said year-round fire activity, a larger and more complex aircraft fleet, and labor market pressures justified the proposed contract increase, including more mechanics, pilots, and maintenance support. The LAO recommended approval, saying the proposal addressed health and safety concerns. Members asked about contractor staffing, competition in the bidding process, and future technology for early fire detection and suppression.
The committee then took up item 1 on golden mussel containment. Fish and Wildlife described the invasive species’ spread in the Delta, the task force and response framework, and a request for eight new positions funded by Prop. 4 to support control plans, outreach, monitoring, research, and coordination with partners and law enforcement. Members pressed the department on whether the state should fund more direct decontamination infrastructure and grants to local water managers, and on the realistic goal of containing the mussel. The chair and several members emphasized the urgency of the threat and requested an itemized breakdown of the $20 million request. The hearing then moved to a broader LAO overview of wildfire prevention and response funding, where the LAO summarized the state’s funding mix and warned that ongoing wildfire resilience funding will likely decline as one-time bond and GGRF funds are exhausted, prompting discussion of long-term funding options and the balance between prevention, suppression, and community hardening.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Committee on State and Local Government - 02/20/25
State and Local Government
Transcript Highlights:
- Prioritizing the financial resources necessary for these controls is difficult to come by, so this makes
- But current law permits agencies to utilize a portion of the grant funds for such purposes, and as a
- current law permits agencies to utilize current law permits agencies to utilize a<00:16:09.120><
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stays consciousness or volunteer control stays consciousness or volunteer control
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Energy Finance and Policy Committee 2/26/26
Energy Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- all that welcome in the public utilities all that welcome in the public utilities law<00:03:10.959
- Again, we're not at a utilities.
- position to run a public utility. Okay. position to run a public utility. Okay.
- You had said that utilities... I guess my question is: can utilities bill for rate cases?
- owned by local consumer-owned utilities. owned by local consumer-owned utilities.
Bills:
HF3298
KY
Kentucky 2026 Regular Session
House Budget Review Sub. on Economic Development, Pub. Protection, Tourism, and Energy (2-3-26)
Transcript Highlights:
- Cuz they had to inspect all those camper utility poles and all that stuff. >> Well, and just getting,
- utility poles and all that stuff. utility poles and all that stuff.
- And to give you an example of how that will be utilized, we're already selling that property for 27.
- This year's farm show is at max all 1.2 million square feet of contiguous climate control facility is
- part of the plan that's being utilized. part of the plan that's being utilized.
Keywords:
00:01 Call to Order and Roll Call
01:32 Approval of Minutes
01:46 Public Protection Cabinet
19:05 Tourism, Arts and Heritage Cabinet
33:14 Adjournment, 958, all
Summary:
The Budget Subcommittee met without a quorum at first, then approved the minutes once a quorum was reached. The first presentation was from the Department of Housing, Buildings, and Construction within the Public Protection Cabinet. Commissioner Max Fuller and Deputy Commissioner David Moore reviewed the department’s licensing structure, noting about 50 license types and roughly 42,000 active licenses, with most tied to plumbing, HVAC, and electrical work. They compared Kentucky’s fees and requirements with neighboring states and said Kentucky is generally in line or slightly below surrounding states when local and contractor licensing requirements elsewhere are considered.
The department also described staffing and inspection pressures. Officials said boiler inspections have a measurable backlog, with about 18% of state-jurisdiction boilers and pressure vessels past due statewide and a higher percentage in Jefferson County. They said building code plan review turnaround has risen from about 30 days to roughly 33–35 days, and that some areas are struggling to maintain same-day plumbing inspections and three-day HVAC inspections. Members asked whether the agency could handle increased housing construction, especially in rural areas; the department said it had requested additional plumbing staff and a plan reviewer, particularly for the Bowling Green/Warren County area, and noted that electrical inspectors are stretched across the state and are also pulled into disaster response work.
The committee then heard from Kentucky Venues and the Kentucky State Fair Board on the Kentucky Exposition Center renovation and related operations. David Beck, board chairman David Williams, CFO Tony Shrek, and others said the project is progressing ahead of schedule, with keys to the new building expected in December and the facility already booked for future events. They reported strong tourism and economic impact, including record activity at the Exposition Center and downtown convention center, and said the Farm Machinery Show and other events continue to drive demand. Members asked about budget status, and the presenters said inflation, delayed access to funds due to the RFP/design process, and added costs have left them short of money to finish all planned work. They identified phase three funding needs, including food and beverage service improvements and completion of Freedom Hall seating, and said they are considering bringing food and beverage operations back under their control to improve efficiency and revenue. The meeting ended with no formal votes on the presentations and an announcement that the committee would meet again the following Tuesday.
NH
New Hampshire 2026 Regular Session
House Science, Technology and Energy (02/09/2026)
Science, Technology and Energy
Transcript Highlights:
- Representative Corman: Well, the way it's done currently is that either the utility is in control of
- So, that's how it's done currently: either under control of the utility or under control of the company
- That is how it is done currently: either under control of the utility or under control of the company
- That is how it is done currently: either under control of the utility or under control of the company
- That is how it is done currently: either under control of the utility or under control of the company
FL
Florida 2026 Regular Session
Appropriations Committee on Agriculture, Environment, and General Government Feb 5th, 2025
Appropriations Committee on Agriculture, Environment, and General Government
Transcript Highlights:
- So some of that is beyond both the program's control and the homeowner to a certain extent.
- Quality control. Oh, ...Facebook page. Quality control.
- I can't control how much a utility provider will charge us per kilowatt hour or per gallon of water,
- but we can control how much we use.
- They are technologies that control and monitor a building system.
Summary:
The committee heard three informational presentations. First, Lieutenant Rob Rowe of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission discussed derelict vessel removal, explaining the legal definition of derelict and at-risk vessels, the causes of vessel abandonment, and the impact of recent hurricanes on the number of cases. He said FWC has nearly 1,000 active derelict vessel cases, with 576 ready for removal, and described the agency’s use of ARPA funds, grants to local governments, contractor lists, and the V-TIP vessel turn-in program to speed removals and prevent vessels from becoming derelict. Senators asked about how to expedite removals, insurance coverage, due process timelines, and storage challenges; Rowe said the 21-day process is constrained by constitutional due process and that more staffing and prevention funding would help.
Next, Stephen Fielder of the Department of Financial Services presented on the My Safe Florida Home program, which provides grants for homeowners to harden homes before storms. He reviewed program eligibility, grant types, reimbursement averages, and performance data, and said the program has received $633 million in appropriations overall. He noted that the program is outsourced to private vendors, has low administrative overhead, and has processed large numbers of inspections and reimbursements. Senators questioned contractor requirements, permits, overhead costs, and whether the program should be brought in-house; Fielder said permits are required before reimbursement, contractor licensing is verified, and the department is considering several administrative clarifications, including townhome roof work, inspection expiration, and whether grants should be limited per person or per home. A retired educator also testified in support of more assistance for homeowners facing insurance problems.
Finally, Tom Berger of the Department of Management Services outlined the Florida Facilities Pool and the state’s real estate development and management work. He described the bonded facility program, the state’s 112 managed facilities, lease administration, parking contracts, maintenance operations, and more than $1 billion in active construction projects. He highlighted major projects such as the Emergency Operations Center, Capitol complex upgrades, a new visitor screening center, and facilities for other agencies including veterans’ services, juvenile justice, and the courts. Senators asked about lease terms, appropriation language, vacancy in leased space, and whether the state uses a uniform lease form; Berger said the lease document is standardized and that agencies determine their space needs. The meeting ended with no further business and adjournment by motion.
AZ
Arizona 2026 Regular Session
01/27/2026 - House Natural Resources, Energy & Water
Natural Resources, Energy & Water
Transcript Highlights:
- utility side.
- utility side.
- part of the utility service district.
- , utilities that are... ...representing both public and private utilities, utilities that are governed
- of the utility, which are in this case... ...financing that are borne by the owners of the utility,
Keywords:
solar radiation management, environment, prohibition, Arizona Revised Statutes, public health, complaint process, Attorney General, groundwater management, water conservation, irrigation, water supply, brackish groundwater, water supply development, desalination, water infrastructure, financial assistance, environmental reviews, brackish water, groundwater, water resources
Summary:
The committee first received an update from Arizona Department of Water Resources Director Tom Buschatzky on Colorado River negotiations and post-2026 operating rules. He described the legal framework governing Arizona’s allocation, argued that Arizona and the lower basin have already made substantial conservation cuts, and said the upper basin is pressing positions Arizona views as inconsistent with prior Supreme Court rulings. He emphasized the need to move water from upstream reservoirs to Lake Mead, warned of continued shortage risk, and said the state is seeking an equitable deal through ongoing federal and interstate negotiations. Members asked about outside water use, tourism and recreation impacts, and tribal water rights, including the Navajo-Hopi-San Juan Southern Paiute settlement. Buschatzky said the state’s delegation and bipartisan support have been helpful and urged continued public and legislative backing.
The committee then heard House Bill 2758, which would expand McMullen Valley groundwater transportation authority and add related requirements and guardrails, including an amendment increasing the La Paz County transportation cap from 10% to 50% of the annual volume and adding conditions for sales or leases from historically irrigated acres. Supporters, including bill sponsor advocates, the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association, and the Home Builders Association, said the bill would create a lawful, regulated transfer option similar to the Harquahala model, support housing growth, and include oversight through hydrologic studies, pumping limits, and monthly reporting to ADWR. Opponents, including La Paz County Supervisor Holly Irwin’s statement, local residents, Sierra Club, and rural advocates, argued the bill would accelerate aquifer depletion, harm private wells and subsidence conditions, and benefit a New York hedge fund at the expense of rural communities. After debate, the committee adopted the Griffin amendment and then passed HB 2758 as amended on a 6-4 due-pass vote.
The committee next took up House Bill 2098, which would modify bonding authority and public hearing notice requirements for county water augmentation authorities and allow local repayment agreements with WIFA. Pinal County Supervisor Stephen Miller and other supporters said the bill would clean up statutory language so the Pinal County Water Augmentation Authority can finance future water augmentation and infrastructure projects, including potential Bartlett Dam-related work, and better prepare for future Colorado River uncertainty. The Home Builders Association also supported the bill, saying it included proportionality protections for private utility water charges. The bill was moved for a due-pass recommendation and the committee proceeded to a roll call vote, with the transcript ending before the final vote result was shown.
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
Senate Energy and Natural Resources (02/04/2025)
Energy and Natural Resources
Transcript Highlights:
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has grieved by something their utility has grieved by something their utility - A lot of people are unhappy with their utilities because they don't like paying utility bills or they
- A lot of people are unhappy with their utilities because they don't like paying utility bills or they
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CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Budget Subcommittee No. 1 on Health May 19th, 2025
Transcript Highlights:
- We are proposing to repeal existing statute that prohibits utilization management controls for outpatient
- Controls for hospice services.
- We have the ability to review utilization.
- We also use our medical necessity utilization management controls to evaluate the need.
- So the uniform dollar increases would be based on utilization.
FL
Transcript Highlights:
- There's a couple jurisdictions in the state that are already utilizing them.
- Local governments get the cost of this, but not the control.
- Local governments get the cost of this, but not the control.
- But it bypasses local control for the developers. But it bypasses local control for the developers.
- Utilities, reservoirs, lakes, etc.
Keywords:
firefighter disability, law enforcement disability, correctional officer disability, correctional probation officer, presumptive disability, workers' compensation, line of duty presumption, heart disease presumption, hypertension presumption, tuberculosis presumption, public safety employees, first responders, physical examination, preemployment exam, medical specialist, Medicare reimbursement, employing agency, Florida Statutes 112.18, Florida Statutes 943.13, occupational disease
Summary:
The committee took up several bills related to public safety, housing, disaster recovery, construction, and land use. SB 330 clarified the heart disease presumption for firefighters, law enforcement, and correctional officers, aligned the definition of heart disease with medical practice, and allowed a transferring law enforcement officer to rely on a prior physical if the new agency does not provide one. An amendment stating the act serves an important state interest was adopted, and the bill passed unanimously after supportive testimony from law enforcement and fire groups. SB 594 expanded local housing assistance eligibility to residents of mobile home communities, including SHIP rental assistance for lot rent and rehabilitation/emergency repair programs for the home itself; it also passed unanimously after support from manufactured housing advocates.
SB 840 revised the hurricane-related land use limits enacted in prior legislation by sunsetting certain temporary restrictions on June 30, 2026, narrowing the affected area from 100 miles to 50 miles from a storm track, and exempting certain planning, water, wastewater, stormwater, and flood-related decisions. The sponsor said the bill was intended to fix unintended consequences of prior hurricane recovery legislation, and the measure was reported favorably on a unanimous vote. SB 526 addressed commercial construction projects by prohibiting “no damages for delay” clauses in public construction contracts, directing the Florida Building Commission to create a uniform commercial permit application, requiring permit fee reductions when private providers are used, and adding mitigation to product approval categories; county representatives raised concerns about implementation and fees, but the bill passed favorably.
The committee also approved SB 504 and SB 506, both by Senator Burgess, creating a framework for code inspector body camera use and a related public records exemption for recordings. Both were described as optional for local governments and were reported favorably without opposition. Finally, the committee considered CS/SB 354, a major “blue ribbon projects” bill creating a framework for very large developments that would reserve at least 60% of land for conservation, agriculture, recreation, utilities, and related uses in exchange for streamlined approval and state preemption over local land use controls. The bill drew extensive testimony both for and against, with supporters emphasizing housing supply and land preservation and opponents warning about local control, sprawl, infrastructure costs, and weak conservation protections. Two amendments were adopted to define reserve areas more specifically and address conservation easements, and the committee reported the bill favorably on a divided vote, with Senator Passidomo voting no.
CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Appropriations Committee May 23rd, 2025
Transcript Highlights:
- AB 1173, Patterson, Public Utilities Commission: holding committee.
- AB 1295, Patterson, utility bill transparency: holding committee.
- AB 1295, Patterson, utility bill transparency: holding committee.
- AB 1424, Celeste Rodriguez, prison climate control: two-year bill.
- AB 99, TAW, Electrical Utility Rates: holding committee.
Summary:
The Assembly Appropriations Committee held its May 23, 2025 suspense hearing and opened by emphasizing the difficult budget environment, rising costs for constituents, and the need to make tough choices. The chair said many bills would be held, amended to reduce costs, or made two-year bills because the state could not afford broad program expansions this year. The committee also noted the agenda was organized alphabetically by author and that results would be posted later that day.
The committee then acted on a large suspense file, taking up hundreds of Assembly bills across topics including housing, health care, education, labor, public safety, climate, water, transportation, elections, and technology. Many bills were held in committee, while many others were approved with cost-saving, clarifying, or author’s amendments. Examples included measures on CalABLE, Covered California enrollment, wildfire and insurance issues, reproductive health, school and college programs, prison and juvenile justice matters, AI and data privacy, and local government and utility regulation. Several bills were converted to two-year bills to continue discussion.
Throughout the hearing, the committee repeatedly voted on bills by A roll call or B roll call, often with Republicans not voting on amended measures. Some bills were advanced with notable amendments, such as narrowing scope, removing appropriations, delaying implementation, or striking costly provisions. The committee also approved a number of committee bills and omnibus measures, including emergency management, judiciary, insurance, and water-related bills.
At the end of the hearing, the chair stated that the committee had moved 435 bills to the Assembly floor, either as do pass or do pass as amended, and adjourned the meeting.
FL
Florida 2025 Regular Session
Criminal Justice Mar 25th, 2025
Transcript Highlights:
- He was out of control Miami-Dade police. It was absolutely out of control.
- Kevin Noonan, Orlando utility Commission waives in support Lukas Parsons, Ashley Utility Contractors
- But utility workers.
- Methamphetamine worry controlled analog. As I said, there is currently a loophole in long.
- Like, for example, if you go to the gates at the airport, it's controlled.