Video & Transcript Research : 'solar lease'

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NM

New Mexico 2025 Regular Session

IC - Radioactive and Hazardous Materials Jul 11th, 2025

Radioactive & Hazardous Materials Committee

Transcript Highlights:
  • The boundary you see there on your slide is that of the mine and its lease and permit.
  • accessing it and constructing solar panels and generating power that way.
  • You said that solar companies are currently using this land.
  • put solar panels up.
  • If they said they like that, then there would be a lease.
TX

Texas 89th 2nd C.S.

State Affairs Mar 26th, 2025

State Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • Members, this is Representative Van Dever's bill requiring a guide for solar devices, uh, Representative
  • agreements of wind or solar power facilities.
  • While wind and solar power facilities are required by state law to obtain and deliver full financial
  • House Bill 3228 states that the contract between the landowner and wind or solar company must include
  • Uh, the 30 gigawatts of solar in ERO that we have will produce about 5 million tons of waste material
TX
Summary: The Senate Business and Commerce Committee met with a quorum and first took up pending business, voting out several bills. Senate Bills 1697, 1569, 1202 as substituted, 1029, 1364, 1185, 924, 1008 as substituted, 264, 1376, and 1358 as substituted were reported favorably, with some sent to the local and uncontested calendar. The committee also adopted a substitute for SB 1202 and later corrected votes on several measures. SB 924 and SB 1376 drew some opposition, while the rest of the pending bills were reported without dissent or with limited nays. The committee then heard testimony on SB 1856, which would create an annual capacity-cost recovery rider for Entergy Texas customers in the MISO region. The author and Entergy argued the bill would better match rates to actual capacity costs and improve transparency, while the Texas Association of Manufacturers and the Public Utility Commission raised concerns about the short 10-day review period, rider proliferation, and the preference for full rate cases over piecemeal adjustments. The bill was left pending. The committee also heard and left pending SB 522 on CPA reciprocity, SB 1664 requiring TDUs to provide clearer, standalone rate-change disclosures, SB 1877 expanding OPUC’s access to market data, SB 1254 and SB 1255 as TDLR cleanup bills on professional employer organizations and mold assessors, SB 1341 updating manufactured housing rules, SB 1239 on sovereign debt and Texas governing law, and SB 1259 streamlining the surveyor-in-training licensing process. Additional bills discussed included SB 1977, which would cap recoverable legal expenses in electric, water, and sewer rate cases; OPUC and some consumer advocates supported the idea as a way to reduce ratepayer costs, while utility representatives warned it could discourage participation and increase rate shock. The committee also heard SB 1762 clarifying that geothermal energy conservation wells are not battery resources, and SB 783 allowing SECO to proceed with future energy-code rulemaking for state-funded buildings. Both drew supportive testimony from industry and environmental groups. All remaining bills heard during the meeting were left pending, and the committee recessed subject to the call of the chair.
HI

Hawaii 2025 Regular Session

EIG-AEN, EIG-HOU, EIG Public Hearings 03-11-2025

Energy and Intergovernmental Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • Brian Gold from Inner Island Solar Supply...
  • Solar Supply um we are a 50-year-old Solar Supply um we are a 50-year-old local<00:14:14.759><c> Renewable
  • </c> the cost differential between solar the cost differential between solar water<00:14:28.759><c> heaters
  • Rocky Mold from the Solar Energy Association. Thank you, Chairs, Vice Chairs.
  • </c><00:20:06.880><c> into</c> most proud of is putting um solar into most proud of is putting um solar
Keywords: 912, senate, all
Summary: The joint committees heard testimony on several energy- and environment-related measures. HB 242 HD1 on electric vehicle batteries drew support from the Department of Health, the Hawaiʻi State Energy Office, SERFCO, and the Alliance for Automotive Innovation; the Energy Office suggested a broader working group covering all lithium-ion batteries, and members later adopted amendments including a date change and revised timing language. HB 751 HD2 on statewide organic waste reduction and diversion received mixed testimony, with the Department of Health opposing it over concerns about compostable food packaging and incomplete testing data; the committee nonetheless moved the bill forward with amendments removing compostable food packaging from the definition of organic waste and changing the effective date to July 1, 2050. The committees also considered HB 1020 HD1 on a statewide program to characterize carbon sequestration potential and underground water resources. The Hawaiʻi State Energy Office and Ulupono supported the measure as part of a broader geothermal and energy security effort, while members raised concerns about overlapping roles between agencies and the need for a single coordinated voice. The committee ultimately amended the bill to place DBEDT in charge, with technical changes, and passed it. In a separate portion of the hearing, HB 350 HD2 on energy was heard with support from the State Energy Office, industry, and advocacy groups; opponents argued the existing solar water heater law is working and that variances already allow flexibility. The committee passed HB 350 unamended. Later, the committee heard HB 977 HD1 on energy financing, HB 1017 HD1 on the greenhouse gas sequestration task force, HB 1051 HD1 on energy efficiency portfolio standards, and HB 1406 HD1 on government procedures. HB 977 received support from the Public Utilities Commission, DCCA, and others and was advanced with technical, non-substantive amendments. HB 1017, which would repeal the greenhouse gas sequestration task force, and HB 1051, which sets energy efficiency benchmarks, were both passed unamended. HB 1406, a task force bill aimed at improving permitting and regulatory processes, was amended to add a Senate representative, include the State Energy Office, make the bill effective on approval, and note prior funding requests in the committee report; it was then adopted. Votes were recorded on each measure, with some members excused and HB 751 drawing one no vote from Senator Rhoads.
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Transcript Highlights:
  • If many of you are like me, you might be surprised to learn that solar is eligible for a manufacturing
  • Will it be solar?
  • If it was just solar, I would be Would understand and be supportive.
  • and wind that leases their property for those particular facilities.
  • is relatively new, and BES is even newer than solar.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

02/10/2026 - Senate Natural Resources

Senate Natural Resources Committee of Reference

Transcript Highlights:
  • Well, the roof issue is this: the solar photovoltaic company, the solar installers, install a system
  • company, or the solar company is filed against a solar company, and whether it's dismissed or not. .
  • I am a solar homeowner.
  • attack on whether solar should be up there.
  • ...solar, whether solar should be up there.
Summary: The committee heard and advanced several appropriation and policy bills. SB 1488 would appropriate $600,000 for a workforce development study on coal-impacted communities in northern Arizona, especially areas affected by the closure of Navajo Generating Station and related coal operations; supporters described it as a needed transition study, and it received a do-pass recommendation. SB 1523 would provide $340,000 to the Navajo Nation for the Ganado waterline pipeline project serving 235 homes; testimony emphasized long-standing lack of safe drinking water, and the bill also received a do-pass recommendation. SB 1041 would appropriate $500,000 to the Arizona Trail Fund; supporters highlighted the trail’s statewide recreational and cultural value, and it passed with a do-pass recommendation. SB 1447 would extend the groundwater withdrawal fee moratorium and related Pinal AMA fund provisions through 2033; irrigation district representatives said the extension would help maintain infrastructure amid Colorado River shortages, and it was also recommended do-pass. The committee also considered several regulatory bills. SB 1445 would let smaller cities and towns use approved on-site bacteriological testing equipment and limit required sampling frequency for certain ADEQ permits; the sponsor said it would save small towns money, while some members raised concerns about limiting sampling during discharge events, but the bill still received a do-pass recommendation. SB 1580 would appropriate $2.545 million for a statewide fire incident management platform for fire and law enforcement agencies; supporters said it would improve accountability, information sharing, and interoperability, while one member objected to the targeted funding approach, and the bill passed on a 5-3 vote. SB 1418 would streamline siting and permitting for small modular nuclear reactors in smaller counties, especially when co-located with large industrial users; supporters argued it would help energy reliability and rural economic development, while opponents warned it would weaken local review and environmental safeguards, and it passed 5-3. The committee took up two bills involving consumer protections and access. SB 1419 would add inspection and disclosure requirements for rooftop solar installations and restrict sales claims about estimated savings; supporters said it responded to consumer complaints about roof damage and misleading sales practices, while opponents argued it would burden rooftop solar and restrict speech. After extensive testimony, including from county officials, former ROC leadership, and solar industry representatives, the bill received a do-pass recommendation on a 6-2 vote. SB 1363 would create a rural opportunity initiative to issue additional marijuana-related licenses for underserved rural communities; supporters said it would improve access and reduce illicit-market activity, while opponents argued the bill was confusing and could expand licenses too broadly. The committee ultimately recommended the bill do pass on an 8-0 vote, with members noting possible amendments before floor consideration.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

03/17/2026 - House Natural Resources, Energy & Water

House Natural Resources, Energy & Water Committee of Reference

Transcript Highlights:
  • not include a utility-scale solar project.
  • Did Senator Carroll get input from the solar panels, from solar agencies and all that that are to work
  • solar unit itself became dysfunctional.
  • It includes some references to utility-scale solar, which is not included.
  • So, we've all been hit up by solar folks.
Summary: The committee heard several water and energy-related measures. SB 1200, as amended by a Griffin strike-everything amendment, addressed the Arizona Department of Water Resources’ treatment of certain “conduit lakes” in active management areas. ADWR testified neutral on the bill but opposed the amendment as written, saying it could grandfather in lakes that are currently in violation of the lakes statute and create water-management concerns. HOA and industry witnesses argued the bill would simply clarify and restore a prior interpretation for existing communities that rely on lakes to move groundwater and effluent for irrigation, while avoiding costly redesigns. The committee adopted the strike-everything amendment and then passed SB 1200 with a due pass recommendation by a 6-3 vote. The committee then considered SB 1419, which would tighten consumer protections for residential rooftop solar sales and installations by adding disclosure, inspection, and contractor-responsibility requirements. County and solar-industry witnesses said the bill was the product of a lengthy stakeholder process and was intended to address misleading sales practices and roof-damage concerns, while noting additional floor amendments were still expected. The committee adopted the Griffin amendment and passed SB 1419 with a due pass recommendation by a 6-1 vote, with two members voting present. SB 1447, which extends certain groundwater withdrawal fee exemptions and fund deadlines in the Pinal Active Management Area, was supported by irrigation and municipal water users as a needed bridge for infrastructure and conservation efforts amid Colorado River uncertainty; it passed 7-1. SB 1560, increasing the maximum single loan from the water supply development revolving fund from $3 million to $20 million, was backed by WIFA as necessary to meet larger rural water project needs; it passed 8-1. Finally, the committee heard SCM 1004, a memorial asking Congress to clearly define the EPA’s powers and duties. One speaker opposed it as unnecessary, but the memorial was approved on a 6-2 vote. The meeting then adjourned.
TX

Texas 89th Regular

State Affairs Apr 14th, 2025

State Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • When you sign a lease, you agree to keep utilities connected.
  • The Nightfall Solar project is at a very late stage.
  • And so the way these leases tend to work is once the turbine quits operating, then the lease terminates
  • for this, you're leasing basically the land where it's on.
  • When that lease ends and you no longer have...
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Committee on Taxes - 01/30/25

Taxes

Transcript Highlights:
  • put solar on their properties.
  • </c> residential and commercial solar residential and commercial solar installations<00:02:24.599><c>
  • </c> years for the installation of a solar years for the installation of a solar energy<00:02:32.480>
  • Solar has no fuel costs.
  • /c><00:09:03.560><c> uh</c><00:09:03.720><c> education</c> solar through solar to Ed uh education solar
Keywords: 1187, senate, all
VT

Vermont 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Session - 2026-05-26 - 2:00PM

Vermont Senate Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • . solar. solar.
  • </c> solar panels. solar panels.
  • solar, uh, on the open market yes, solar solar, uh, on the open market is,<00:37:24.520><c> uh,</c><
  • solar power has also solar power has also come<00:39:58.520><c> down.
  • </c> the expansion of solar fields. the expansion of solar fields.
Keywords: 927, senate, all
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

03/17/2026 - Senate Natural Resources

Senate Natural Resources Committee of Reference

Transcript Highlights:
  • And finally, both the current law and this proposed... ...lease.
  • I would have to use an arm's-length lease that doesn't exist.
  • So when we're talking about rentals or leases...
  • Chair, so as you look at the lease values for land, and I respect Mr.
  • While this would apply to solar and wind, there's no provision for solar and wind getting certificates
Summary: The committee first heard an informational presentation on transportation fuel supply in Arizona from Gordon Shemp of Nemecu Analytics. He described Arizona’s dependence on pipeline deliveries, limited terminal inventories, and the resulting vulnerability to outages and price spikes. He also discussed recent refinery closures in California, increased imports from overseas, and a proposed Kinder Morgan project that could add east-to-west capacity into Phoenix. Committee members asked about fuel formulations and how many fuel types move through the system; Shemp said the project would not change destination fuel specifications and that multiple fuel products already move through the pipelines. The committee then took up House Bill 2758, which would allow groundwater transport from the McMullen Valley basin to an initial AMA and related uses, with provisions for eligible entities, transportation fees, and water improvement programs. Supporters, including Stan Barnes, Jim Downing, and Barry Arons, argued the bill follows the 1991 transfer-basin framework, provides needed water augmentation for urban Arizona, and includes local benefits and guardrails. Opponents, including La Paz County Supervisor Holly Irwin, Devonna Sater, and Ed Curry, said the bill would worsen groundwater decline, subsidence, and well failures in Salome and Wenden and favored rural communities being used to solve urban water shortages. The committee approved HB 2758 on a 4-3 vote. The committee also considered HB 2078, which clarifies that certain aggregate mining reclamation notice requirements apply only to new reclamation plans and new aggregate operations, not existing mines. The sponsor said the bill fixes confusion from prior legislation, and the committee passed it 5-0. HB 2031, extending the deadline for applying for a certificate of grandfathered right in the Wilcox AMA from 15 to 27 months, also passed after some members argued the extension was needed for affected applicants while others said it would delay needed protections. HB 2102, allowing county improvement districts in certain basins to use eminent domain for a well and standpipe site and to operate domestic water delivery systems, and HB 2103, allowing gifts and fee revenues to support water hauling and local water improvement programs, both passed 4-3 despite opposition that they were only partial fixes. Later, HB 2117, which increases the annual distribution cap for conservation district education centers and shifts Environmental Special Plate Fund disbursements to the Natural Resource Conservation Board, passed 5-2 after supporters called it a technical cleanup and one member objected to changing the administering entity. HB 2261, revising agricultural property tax valuation terminology and requiring income-based valuation for agricultural real property, passed 4-3 after assessors and county representatives warned it would remove agricultural improvements from the tax rolls and shift costs to homeowners, while farm groups said it would clarify and stabilize agricultural taxation. Finally, HB 2262, transferring the Resource Analysis Division from the State Land Department to the Arizona Geological Survey and changing related geospatial advisory duties, was presented with State Land Department concerns that the bill left several duties and funding questions unclear; the transcript ends before any final action on HB 2262.
MA

Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Committee on Climate Change and Global Warming Jun 21st, 2026 at 11:00 am

Senate Committee on Climate Change and Global Warming

Transcript Highlights:
  • tax credits for EVs and renewable energy, and investing money in heat pumps, public EV charging, and solar
  • Because if you are a consumer who leases a vehicle, the leasing agent can basically claim this commercial
  • These existing leases have not been affected by this withdrawal.
  • These existing leases have not affected, are not affected.
  • The U.S. government's leasing and permitting practices for wind projects. Finally, the U.S.
Keywords: 995, all
Summary: The committee held a hearing on the impact of the Trump administration’s federal climate policy changes on Massachusetts, with a focus on threatened grants, regulatory rollbacks, and state options to continue climate work. Chair Creem and other senators emphasized that Massachusetts still has a 2050 net-zero mandate and needs contingency plans for clean energy, transportation electrification, offshore wind, resilience, and financing if federal support is reduced or withdrawn. Executive branch witnesses said Massachusetts has already experienced disruptions to more than $1 billion in climate-related federal funds, though many suspended grants were restored after litigation by the Attorney General’s office. EEA reported continued uncertainty around a $389 million Grid Innovation Program award and a FEMA dam-safety reimbursement, while MassDOT said its NEVI fast-charging program remains on track with about $50 million obligated, but a $14.4 million competitive charging grant is on hold and future unobligated NEVI funds remain uncertain. Senators also discussed EV rebates, charging infrastructure, the role of the Community Climate Bank, and whether the state can expand independent financing and support for municipalities, higher education, and nonprofits. The Attorney General’s office described successful multi-state litigation that won a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction against the federal funding freeze, restoring access to many EPA, DOE, USDA, and Interior funds, while noting continued enforcement actions over FEMA manual reviews and other barriers. The office said it is also preparing to defend the endangerment finding, California vehicle-emissions waivers, offshore wind permits, and other federal climate protections. Outside advocates warned that federal tax-credit rollbacks, tariffs, and possible repeal of IRA and infrastructure funding could slow EV adoption and raise costs, while offshore wind testimony said federal permitting pauses and legal challenges are delaying projects and could leave Massachusetts far short of its 2030 offshore wind goals. Nonprofit witnesses also described canceled or delayed grants for wetland restoration and urban heat mitigation, and urged the Legislature to increase state funding, including for the environmental bond bill and municipal vulnerability preparedness work.
NM

New Mexico 2025 Regular Session

House - Chamber Meeting Mar 20th, 2025

Transcript Highlights:
  • It's more than made up over the life of the lease. of the lease. And others.
  • They evaluated 6,000 leases.
  • The sponsor points out that it would delay if the lease could not be re-leased for up to two years, Mr
  • We've requested the lease be put up, we've done everything we can, and that lease remains unleased.
  • Speaker, gentlemen, or lease.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

03/17/2026 - Senate Natural Resources

Natural Resources

Transcript Highlights:
  • I would have to use an arm's-length lease that doesn't exist.
  • have been doing it for a long time because we lease land all the time.
  • Chair, so as you look at the lease values for land and you look at the—and I respect Mr.
  • Chair, so as you look at the lease values for land and you look at the, and I respect Mr.
  • While this would apply to solar and wind, there's no provision for solar and wind getting certificates
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Energy, Utilities and Communications Committee Apr 13th, 2026

Energy, Utilities and Communications

Transcript Highlights:
  • Could that be used to procure less solar somehow because it's more available outside a peak?
  • give DWR more clarity when they're evaluating the different types of resources, whether it be wind, solar
  • And maybe their shareholders, as part of their lease, gives the rights to the tenant.
  • The federal government has canceled tax credits for solar and wind projects.
  • The federal government has canceled tax credits for solar and wind projects. is under threat.
Summary: The committee heard a long agenda of energy, water, and utility bills. SB 952, SB 1417, SB 924, SB 925, SB 1011, SB 1168, SB 1196, and SB 1350 were all discussed, along with consent items SB 1008 and SB 1245. SB 952 would give the Department of Water Resources more flexibility in meeting clean energy procurement goals for the State Water Project; it drew support from the State Water Contractors and California Municipal Utilities Association and no opposition. SB 1417 would extend transparency and notice requirements to mutual water companies, especially in response to wildfire-related rate increases in Altadena; supporters described lack of notice, meeting access, and public accountability, while the California Association of Mutual Water Companies opposed the bill as overly prescriptive and potentially conflicting with existing law. SB 924 would modernize low-income energy assistance and weatherization programs to better measure affordability outcomes and tenant benefits, and it passed with broad support. SB 925 would direct the Energy Commission to develop a statewide roadmap for fusion energy; it was supported by industry and clean energy groups and passed without opposition. SB 1011 would require CPUC standards for human review of utility AI systems and labor consultation; supporters framed it as a safety and workforce protection measure, while utilities and business groups warned about cost, duplication, and overbroad regulation. SB 1168, now a study bill, would have the CPUC examine how data centers pay for load growth and rate impacts; it drew mixed reactions, with some industry opposition and some labor support after amendments. SB 1196 would speed utility hookups for ADUs and JADUs by allowing earlier applications and setting timelines; housing advocates supported it and it passed. SB 1350 would allow renewable portfolio standard credit for power plants using green hydrogen, with strong support from hydrogen, labor, and utility interests, but TURN opposed it unless amended, arguing it lacked safeguards against greenwashing and resource shuffling. The committee also approved the consent calendar and several bills were reported out on recorded votes, with most measures advancing on strong bipartisan support and a few no votes from Senators Strickland and Dahle on selected items.
HI
Transcript Highlights:
  • </c><01:09:15.279><c> energy</c> you uh next we have Hawaii solar energy you uh next we have Hawaii solar
  • But the solar industry stepped up during that time and installed solar systems as well as internet connections
  • But the solar industry stepped up during that time and installed solar systems as well as internet connections
  • This will really hurt the solar industry to repeal that solar tax credit.
  • This will really hurt the solar industry to repeal that solar tax credit.
Keywords: 910, house, all
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

02/24/2026 - House Floor Session

Arizona House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • rooftop solar systems from the classification.
  • Solar and wind require very little.
  • Arizona is already a national leader in solar energy.
  • Solar and wind require very little.
  • Arizona is already a national leader in solar energy.
Keywords: 1182, all
FL

Florida 2026 Regular Session

Appropriations Committee on Agriculture, Environment, and General Government Mar 18th, 2025

Appropriations Committee on Agriculture, Environment, and General Government

Transcript Highlights:
  • Two years ago, I was driving my truck out on my hunting lease, drove over a tree branch.
  • It was out of my hunting lease. It was a tree branch.
  • Solar radiation management is a very new technology.
  • Solar weather modification has been authorized under federal law for many decades.
  • State of the science fact sheet on solar radiation modification.
Summary: The committee considered and reported favorably several bills, most of them sponsored by Senator Rodriguez. CS/SB 164 on vessel accountability was presented as a measure to help law enforcement identify vessel owners, create a free long-term anchoring permit program, increase penalties for derelict vessel violations, and authorize grants for local governments in FWC’s prevention program; it passed without amendment. SB 388, dealing with FWC trust funds, was also reported favorably after Senator Berman asked whether non-game wildlife funds would support immigration enforcement; Senator Rodriguez said they would not. CS/SB 1320 was amended to recreate the Resilient Florida Trust Fund and then passed favorably. CS/CS/SB 344 modernizing the Telecommunications Access System was amended to define new terms and reduce the maximum surcharge from 25 cents to 15 cents, then reported favorably. CS/SB 86 on peer support for first responders expanded eligibility to support personnel and passed with broad support from law enforcement and related groups. The committee also took up CS/CS/SB 92, a hit-and-run accountability bill by Senator Gruters. The adopted amendment added a front license plate requirement, lowered the damage threshold from $5,000 to $2,500, and retained reporting requirements for repair shops. NFIB testified in opposition to parts of the bill, citing concerns about the lower threshold, short reporting deadlines, and potential license revocation, while supporters argued the bill would improve accountability and help solve hit-and-run cases. The bill was reported favorably after debate. The final and most contentious measure was CS/SB 56 by Senator Garcia, which would prohibit geoengineering and weather modification activities in Florida, repeal older weather-modification statutes, create a public reporting system at DEP, and impose penalties for violations. Supporters, including individuals identifying with weather-watch and anti-geoengineering concerns, argued that the bill would address public fears and environmental risks. A cloud-seeding company representative testified that cloud seeding is distinct from solar radiation management and said permitting should exist for responsible weather modification, while warning the bill could hinder beneficial precipitation enhancement. Despite skepticism from some members about the bill’s premise and scope, the committee reported it favorably. The meeting then concluded after members recorded missed votes and the committee adjourned.
TX

Texas 89th Regular

State Affairs Mar 26th, 2025

State Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • Members, this is Representative Van Deaver's bill requiring a guide for solar devices.
  • agreements of wind or solar power facilities.
  • House Bill 3228 states that the contract between the landowner and wind or solar company must include
  • The 30 gigawatts of solar that we have will produce about five million tons of waste material.
  • APA is based here in Austin, and we represent about 60 ... companies invested mostly in solar, wind,
HI

Hawaii 2026 Regular Session

EEP Info Briefing - Thu Apr 16, 2026 @ 9:00 AM HST

Hawaii House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • have packed solar recent solar projects have packed solar panels<00:55:36.319><c> tighter.
  • solar.
  • mentioned a solar component. Is that mentioned a solar component.
  • /c><01:38:11.600><c> pretty</c><01:38:11.840><c> small</c> solar solar is actually a pretty small solar
  • You normally—the solar developers are leasing the land from someone, and in fact one landholder can get