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MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Committee on Judiciary and Public Safety - 02/10/25
Judiciary and Public Safety
Transcript Highlights:
- So the fee isn’t meeting the cost to be able to do that inspection.
- So the fee isn’t meeting the cost to be able to do that inspection.
- <00:10:21.480>
that's do a one 100 at the $100 fee that's do a one 100 at the $100 fee that's - We charge public schools on a per-square-footage fee, and so this proposal would match that same fee.
- versus a square footage fee?
KY
Kentucky 2025 Regular Session
Public Pension Oversight Board (10-21-25)
Transcript Highlights:
- We have tried to include both management fees, but also fees that are incentives or carried interest,
- I know that all KPPPA and TRS are always working to try to reduce those fees, but fee dollar amounts
- tried to include both management fees tried to include both management fees but<00:20:33.440>
- c> incentives<00:20:35.200>
or but also fees that are incentives or but also fees that are - amounts<00:21:04.799>
will those fees, but fee dollar amounts will those fees, but fee dollar
Keywords:
Meeting Start: 00:00
Attendance Roll Call: 01:02
Approval of Minutes: 02:03
Annual Investment Review: 04:10
Adjournment: 37:34, 958, all
Summary:
The committee met with a quorum, approved the prior meeting minutes, welcomed new staff member Sean Parks, and announced that it would not meet in November. The next meeting was scheduled for December 8 at 10:00 a.m., with the chair noting that pension bills would be heard then and emphasizing that all pension bills must go through the full process and include actuarial analysis.
Brad Gross of the Public Pension Oversight Board presented a detailed review of Kentucky retirement systems’ investments and funding. He said fiscal year 2025 ended with about $50.5 billion in pension assets and $12.52 billion in retiree health assets, both up from the prior year. He reported strong investment performance across the systems, with all Kentucky public pension funds exceeding their policy benchmarks and the median peer return of 10.4%. He also discussed long-term return trends, asset allocation differences among the systems, fee levels, and cash flow, noting that cash flow remains a key monitoring issue and that supplemental appropriations have improved the cash position of some funds, especially the Kentucky State Police and TRS systems.
Gross also explained that assumed rates of return have generally fallen over time, which increases unfunded liabilities and required contributions, and said the systems’ current assumptions range from 5.25% to 7.1%. He noted that the committee’s materials included peer comparisons and historical charts, and that all asset classes were within target ranges. In response to a question from Senator Funky From, Gross was asked about pension spiking and whether supplemental general fund contributions could create a false sense of security in cash flow analysis; the question was raised but not resolved in the portion of the transcript provided.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Committee on Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband and Rural Development - 03/24/25
Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband, and Rural Development
Transcript Highlights:
- Section 62 modifies inspection fees for grain buyers. Section 63 modifies grain storage fees.
- fee for grain storage, and then the exam fee scales up based on your capacity.
- <01:14:52.719>
for proposal and with a flat $500 fee for proposal and with a flat $500 fee - 14:57.600>
up storage, and then the exam fee scales up storage, and then the exam fee scales up - This is a huge to license fees.
CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Floor Session Sep 3rd, 2025
California House Floor Meeting
Transcript Highlights:
- Some cities charge $40,000, $50,000, or $60,000 per unit for their park mitigation impact fee, and in
- I want to reiterate, SB 499 does not create new fees or increase the amount charged.
- those parks some cities charge 40 50 $60,000 per unit for their park mitigation impact fee and in my
- I want to reiterate, SB 499 does not create new fees or increase the amount of charge.
- While local agencies retain the ability to assess impact fees, SB 358 ensures that those fees are actually
Summary:
The Assembly convened after a quorum call, opened with prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, welcomed visiting students from De La Salle High School and a guest for Assembly Member Kalra, and then moved through a lengthy concurrence and third-reading agenda. Early actions included concurrence on ACR 21 honoring fallen Galt Police Officer Herminda Grewal, followed by a series of mostly noncontroversial bills on utilities, reclamation districts, housing, wildfire relief, mobile homes, environmental quality, health care coverage, and local government. Several measures were presented as technical, clarifying, or urgency bills, and many passed with unanimous or near-unanimous votes; notable items included AB 238 (wildfire mortgage forbearance), AB 571 (Southern California Veterans Cemetery permitting/CEQA exemption), AB 574 (health care coverage), AB 696 (lithium-ion battery safety advisory group), AB 1150 (airport car rental facility maintenance), AB 1154 (ADU parking standards), and SB 499 (impact fee deferrals for emergency-related parkland and utility infrastructure). SB 499 drew the most debate, with supporters emphasizing disaster resilience and dual-use parkland and an opponent arguing it would worsen housing-related fee burdens; it ultimately passed after a call was lifted.
The chamber also adopted SJR 4 urging restoration of NIH funding, and passed SB 230 expanding workers’ compensation presumptions to additional firefighters, SB 92 tightening density bonus law to curb loopholes, SB 782 creating disaster relief financing districts, SB 40 capping insulin copays at $35 and limiting step therapy, SB 362 strengthening small-business financing disclosures, SB 513 requiring workers access to training records, SB 489 requiring public agencies involved in housing approvals to post requirements online, SB 31 promoting recycled water use, SB 551 introducing normalization and dynamic security concepts in corrections, SB 639 extending flood-protection deadlines for Sacramento/Yuba projects, SB 653 defining environmentally sensitive vegetation management, AB 652 on air pollution, and SB 221 updating stalking law to include threats to pets. Several bills received recorded opposition or split votes, including SB 551, SB 439, SB 782, and SB 499, but most measures passed comfortably. The Assembly also concurred in Senate amendments on AB 516 and AB 1523, and later lifted the call on SB 499 to complete passage.
The session included an adjournment in memory of Rick Bryson of Long Beach, with Assembly Member Lowenthal highlighting Bryson’s athletic, business, and civic contributions. The day ended with reminders to secure floor managers for pending bills, a notice of the next day’s 10 a.m. floor session, and adjournment until Thursday, September 4th.
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
Senate Energy and Natural Resources (02/11/2025)
Energy and Natural Resources
Transcript Highlights:
- Go ahead, Senator Rosin, in that case you could between saying the fees shall be between saying the fees
- Fiscal proofs, and it's really two fees: the ski tickets for Cannon Mountain and the camping fees at
- Fiscal proofs, and it's really two fees: the ski tickets for Cannon Mountain and the camping fees at
- shall be increased and fiscal has to be notified. the camping fees at Frank Cony and N the camping fees
- was assuming that the increased fees was assuming that the increased fees would<02:42:08.160>
KY
Kentucky 2025 Regular Session
Administrative Regulation Review Subcommittee (9-9-25)
Transcript Highlights:
- I was just going to ask, when were these fees last adjusted? About two years ago or so.
- And so we have increased fees and, uh, increased fees of cost to the board, but then also we have decreasing
- Um, forgive my ignorance on this, but go into the fees. Does this affect the licensing fees?
- but go go into the uh fees. but go go into the uh fees.
- >> Does this affect the licensing fees? >> This one particularly does not.
Keywords:
:54 – Board of Pharmacy
2:00 – Board of Social Work
3:44 – Board of Licensure for Occupational Therapy
4:43 – Board of Registration for Professional Geologists
7:27 – Board of Imaging and Radiation Therapy
8:33 – Board of Emergency Medical Services
10:38 – Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources
17:37 – Transportation Cabinet
18:37 – Department of Education
25:00 – Department of Workplace Standards
27:06 – Cabinet for Health & Family Services, 958, all
Summary:
The Administrative Regulation Review Subcommittee met with a quorum, approved the minutes, and then reviewed a series of agency regulations, most of which had staff-suggested amendments. The Board of Pharmacy regulation on remote prescription processing was amended to make grammatical and KRS Chapter 13A compliance corrections, and the Board of Social Work regulation on continuing education, telehealth training, waivers, and related fees was deferred at the agency’s request. The Occupational Therapy Compact rule update and the Professional Geologists fee increase regulation both received staff amendments and were approved, with the geologists’ board explaining the increases were driven by rising oversight costs and declining revenue.
The committee also reviewed emergency regulations from the Board of Medical Imaging and Radiation Therapy, the Board of Emergency Medical Services, the Transportation Cabinet, and the Department of Workplace Standards. The EMS package covered licensing classifications, compliance audits, ambulance service rules, and electronic forms; the Transportation Cabinet’s emergency rule established procedures for street-legal special purpose vehicles; and Workplace Standards’ emergency rules updated Kentucky requirements to align with federal standards and House Bill 398, including shortening the discrimination complaint filing deadline from 120 days to 30 days and adjusting appeal procedures. Staff amendments were approved where offered, and members asked several clarifying questions about the rationale and effect of the workplace and EMS changes.
The Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources explained rules on aircraft and drone use in taking wildlife and on reciprocal hunting and fishing agreements with neighboring states. The agency said the drone restriction was intended to align with federal law and address hunter complaints, while the reciprocal agreement rule was a cleanup of older agreements that had lapsed or been overlooked; the committee deferred the wildlife regulation 301 KAR 2:031 at the agency’s request. The Department of Education also presented multiple KHSAA-related and standards updates, including academic eligibility, sports timing, health and physical education standards, and career studies/financial literacy standards; staff amendments were approved, and members questioned the athletic forms and the designation of KHSAA as the state’s athletic agent. Finally, the Cabinet for Health and Family Services presented emergency regulations to support a pediatric teaching hospital expansion and related certificate-of-need changes, which the agency said were aimed at improving pediatric and neonatal access to care; staff amendments were approved, and the committee concluded by setting its next meeting for October 13 at 1:00 p.m.
AR
Transcript Highlights:
- It's supported by utility fees.
- It's supported by license and application fees.
- It's supported by license and application fees.
- So we could collect fees from past dental, past tax or a hospital assessment fee or an ICF provider fee
- Fee or an ICF provider fee, but then not transfer it out to be matched.
LA
Louisiana 2026 Regular Session
Commerce Apr 22nd, 2026
Commerce, Consumer Protection, and International Affairs
Transcript Highlights:
- And of course, by our Constitution, fees have to originate in the House.
- And of course, by our Constitution, fees have to originate in the House.
- So in committee, Constitution, fees have to originate in the House.
- I was the one that was charged a fee, increased fee without notice, whether that be $10 or $100 or whatever
- regular permit fees during a declared emergency.
Summary:
The House Committee on Commerce met on Wednesday, April 22, with a quorum present and heard several bills. HB 1195, relating to the Louisiana State Athletic Commission, was amended with technical changes and a fee-related amendment tied to student athlete agents, then reported favorably. Members asked about criminal penalties and whether the bill would affect prison athletic events; the author said he would follow up on those questions. HB 798, the Broadband and Cable Price Notice Act, was amended to clarify definitions, federal compliance, notice requirements, and severability, then reported favorably after extensive debate over whether providers already give adequate notice, whether a separate notice is necessary, and whether the bill would be preempted by federal law. Charter Communications testified in opposition, saying the bill was duplicative and would add costs, while the author argued it was needed to ensure clear, conspicuous notice of price increases and cancellation rights.
KY
Kentucky 2025 Regular Session
Interim Joint Committee on Transportation (8-18-25)
Transcript Highlights:
- Uh, I do know that we had a hybrid fee, I think, for a year perhaps.
- Uh, I do know that we had a hybrid fee, I think, for a year perhaps.
- And on the electric vehicle, the user fee on that, we have a user fee on electric vehicles and plug-in
- fee was removed. removed. removed.
- user fee on that, we we have a user fee user fee on that, we we have a user fee on<00:13:56.399>
Summary:
The committee met on Transportation, approved the prior meeting minutes, and received a road fund update from Transportation Cabinet officials Mike Hancock, Sean McCernan, and Ron Rigney. McCernan reported that FY 2024-2025 road fund revenue came in $38.5 million above the enacted estimate, but was about $11 million below FY24 because of a lower motor fuels tax rate. He said motor vehicle usage tax receipts were stronger than expected, and that the road fund ended the year with a $61.6 million surplus account that, under the budget bill, must be appropriated to state construction.
Members focused heavily on how declining motor fuels receipts affect the formula funds that support cities, counties, and rural/secondary roads. Hancock and McCernan explained that lower gas tax receipts reduce both the road plan and revenue sharing, while higher vehicle sales tax receipts from motor vehicle usage go directly to the road fund and do not help the formula distributions. They also said fuel efficiency, hybrid and electric vehicle trends, and the removal of a prior hybrid fee all affect revenue collections. On tolling, officials said Louisville bridge toll revenues are covering bills and commitments, but they did not have the latest collection figures in front of them and said they would provide them later.
The committee also asked about project delivery delays, right-of-way acquisition, disaster recovery work, annual contract awards, cash management, and overprogramming in the highway plan. Officials said project delays often stem from right-of-way purchases, utility relocation, and the large volume of projects in the plan, and described the process as a “duck paddling” situation with substantial work happening behind the scenes. They said FY25 contract awards were already just under $998 million by the July letting and expected to exceed last year’s total, and explained that cash balances are managed so they do not fall below $100 million; the current balance was said to be about $166 million. No further votes or formal actions were taken beyond approving the minutes.
TX
Transcript Highlights:
- Regulation HP 1731 by compost relating to the physician's Assistant licensure Compact authorizing a fee
- Chat relating to the creation of the Texas Local Government Accountability Association authorizing a fee
- Relating to the Interstate Dental and Dental Hygiene license or Compact authorizing fees, referred to
- HB 1887 by McCaffrey links the birth records and adopted persons authorizing a fee for the Committee
- HB 1937 by Craddock relating to the certain tax and fee collection procedure.
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
House Transportation (04/22/2025)
Transcript Highlights:
- There is a $10 fee for that retest.
- Is that $175 a one-time fee or an annual fee?”
- Is that $175 a one-time fee or an<01:51:42.880>
annual <01:51:43.280>fee? - That annual fee like with an annual fee?
- I I think third is is the fee.
Summary:
The hearing began with SB 12, which would let certain veterans who already qualify for a disabled veteran license plate use that VA disability determination to obtain a walking disability placard without having to undergo a second physical or submit additional proof. Senator Waters, the prime sponsor, said the bill was prompted by a constituent and would reduce redundant paperwork. Melinda Sims of United Spinal and Leo Pacquin of the State Veterans Advisory Committee both supported the bill, saying veterans already go through an extensive VA certification process and should not have to repeat it for the state. A DMV representative said the department had no known objection and explained that the change would let the placard travel with the veteran in another vehicle. The hearing on SB 12 was then closed.
The committee then took up SB 40, which would allow safe boater education certificates to be completed and tested online, rather than requiring an in-person final exam. Representative Coker and Senator Tim Lang described the bill as a cleanup measure to make a COVID-era online process permanent and said it would improve convenience and keep more revenue in New Hampshire. Tom Praol, representing the vendor, said the state lost significant revenue when the online option ended and argued that online proctoring can verify identity and prevent cheating. The New Hampshire Marine Trades Association supported the bill, saying it would help boaters learn New Hampshire-specific laws and keep dollars in-state. The Department of Safety Marine Patrol was neutral: Captain Tim Dunlvy said the current system includes classroom and online coursework followed by an in-person proctored final exam, and he raised concerns about safety, exam integrity, and lower scores in computer-only testing, while noting New Hampshire’s strong boating safety record. Committee members asked about reciprocity, proctoring methods, costs, and crash data, but no vote was taken in the portion of the transcript provided.
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
House Finance Division I (03/11/2025)
Transcript Highlights:
- If the inspection fee is $100, do you think the inspection fee is adequate? Hard to say.
- So let's talk... double the fee so yes okay anybody else double the fee so yes okay anybody else want
- want to represent if the inspection fee want to represent if the inspection fee is<00:11:46.760>
- is $100 do you think the inspection fee is $100 do you think the inspection fee is adequate<00:11
- <00:11:57.720>
are that but again uh these these fees are that but again uh these these fees
Summary:
The committee first heard from the Department of Labor on several House Bill 2 sections. Members discussed raising the annual elevator certificate fee, which had been $50 since at least fiscal year 2014; the commissioner said the Inspection Division generates more revenue than its costs, and members agreed to amend the fee to $75 and later voted unanimously to accept Section 137. The department also explained a proposed change to civil penalty/warning language in Section 139 to align enforcement across labor laws; that section was accepted unanimously. The commissioner then gave a detailed overview of the second injury fund, describing how it is financed by assessments on insurance carriers, how claims are reviewed for reimbursement, and how the fund is intended to reimburse certain workers’ compensation costs. Members questioned whether the program still serves its original purpose, whether it is revenue-neutral, and whether it should be sunset; the department said the fund is a mixed bag for the state and industry, but no sunset language was adopted. Sections 140 and 141 were then accepted unanimously.
The committee next heard from the Judicial Council on Sections 125 through 127. The witness said the changes would streamline payment for indigent defense services other than counsel, reduce the number of bills requiring judge review, and expand the council’s ability to contract with providers for services such as translation and evaluations. He also explained a proposed fail-safe allowing the executive director to decline to process questionable invoices and send them to a judge instead. Members generally supported the streamlining, and Sections 125 through 127 were accepted unanimously.
Toward the end of the discussion, members asked about the cost impact of changing the misdemeanor/felony threshold from $1,000 to a higher amount. The Judicial Council said felony cases are significantly more expensive than misdemeanors because they involve more hearings, more discovery, and more attorney time, with assigned felony cases costing several times more on average. No action was taken on that question in the excerpt.
US
US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session
Hearings to examine managing risk for the long-term in the 7(a) loan program, focusing on hearing from lenders. Feb 26th, 2025 at 01:30 pm
Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee
Transcript Highlights:
- Fees meant to protect the taxpayer from having to subsidize. bad loans.
- So I think looking at borrower fees and lender fees. and reintroducing them is probably necessary.
- and the lender fee was waived up to I believe it's a million dollars No, no guarantee fee The borrower
- It's no lender fee up to $500,000.
- I don't know much about the fees. What I do know is about underwriting standards.
Keywords:
SBA, 7A loan program, underwriting standards, loan defaults, Community Advantage Program, small business funding, testimony
Summary:
The committee meeting focused on discussions regarding the SBA's 7A loan program and its implementation challenges. Members raised significant concerns about recent changes to the underwriting standards, which have been criticized for leading to an increase in loan defaults. Ranking members expressed a desire for a return to stronger guidelines to protect taxpayers and ensure the program remains a viable source for small businesses struggling to secure funding. Testimonies from community lenders highlighted their efforts to support underserved communities and stressed the importance of the Community Advantage Program.
MA
Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session
Joint Committee on Transportation Jun 21st, 2026 at 01:00 pm
Joint Committee on Transportation
Transcript Highlights:
- We've got a lot of years' history of collecting registry fees and gas taxes.
- Those fees... Those fees raised roughly $18 million last year.
- And those fees...
- I think this is an opportunity to use this bill to revisit those fees.
- It's an opportunity to use this bill to revisit those fees.
Summary:
The committee heard testimony on House Bill 4987, the administration’s transportation bond bill centered on Chapter 90 roadway funding and related capital programs. Administration officials described the bill as a roughly $5.5 billion package that would continue $300 million per year for Chapter 90 over four years, with part of the funding distributed by the traditional formula and an additional $100 million based solely on road miles to better support rural and smaller communities. They also highlighted authorizations for municipal pavement work, Shared Streets and Spaces grants, accelerated bridge and pavement repairs, MBTA rail modernization and reliability, housing-related transportation improvements, and a new DCR-focused PRISM program for parkways and related infrastructure. Officials emphasized that the bill is financed through the Commonwealth Transportation Fund and Fair Share revenues, and said it would help municipalities plan more predictably, speed project delivery, and support housing, safety, and climate goals.
Committee members and witnesses discussed the bill’s broader scope beyond traditional Chapter 90, especially the $200 million for transportation projects that support housing development and the $200 million for MBTA modernization and rail reliability. Members asked about the rationale for a four-year authorization amid fiscal uncertainty, federal funding volatility, and the status of commuter rail electrification. Administration officials responded that the capital authorization is backed by dedicated transportation revenues rather than the operating budget, and said multi-year certainty helps cities and towns make better long-term repair decisions. They also said the MBTA’s rail modernization funds would support locomotive procurements, including battery-electric and Tier 4 diesel locomotives, as part of a longer-term regional rail and electrification strategy.
Municipal officials and regional advocates strongly supported the bill. The Massachusetts Municipal Association, along with town and city officials from Sherborn, Conway, and Yarmouth, said the increased Chapter 90 funding and road-mile-based distribution are especially important for small and rural communities with limited local revenue capacity, and that multi-year funding would let them bundle projects, bid at better prices, and address backlogs more proactively. A Better City and MAPC also supported the bill but urged the committee to treat it like a traditional bond bill by adding policy provisions and considering new transportation revenue tools, such as TNC fee changes, road pricing, parking taxes, and other mechanisms. The committee took no vote during the hearing and adjourned after testimony concluded.
CA
California 2025-2026 Regular Session
Assembly Communications and Conveyance Committee Jun 18th, 2025
Communications and Conveyance
Transcript Highlights:
- There is also a fee that is charged.
- Do you separately list out, like Uber does, the... booking fee, which is the insurance fee, on Lyft?
- So how is it, the insurance fee, currently?
- These are local government fees, insurance, etc. and costs.
- standard fee, but these are pennies compared to insurance.
NM
Transcript Highlights:
- game and fish licensing fees and allowing the state commission to increase the fees based on inflation
- Increase the fees based on inflation, providing a discount on the fees for residents who receive Supplemental
- Increasing fees to fund the Workers' Compensation Administration, changing the basis of certain fees
- to provide notice of fee increases.
- Fee increases, extending the notice period for rent increases, reducing the limit on late fees, expanding
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Committee on Commerce and Consumer Protection - 03/27/25
Commerce and Consumer Protection
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
House Finance Division I (02/28/2025)
Transcript Highlights:
- Are you raising fees? Witness: Well, there's two parts to that. One, yes, fees were raised.
- fees mostly um maybe other kinds of fees fees mostly um maybe other kinds of fees uh<03:26:22.960
- One, yes, fees were raised.
- Fees have changed through a series of fee package submissions that have occurred.
- old fees.
Summary:
The committee reviewed the Department of Corrections budget, with the chair initially noting that the overall numbers looked close to fiscal year 2024 spending, except for federal funds. Department officials explained that prior ARPA expenditures and delayed revenue recognition had distorted the comparison, and that the corrected general fund spend was about $169.7 million. Members then focused on whether the budget’s staffing assumptions were realistic, especially the shift from overtime to full-time lines and the use of vacant positions to offset overtime costs. The department said it is leaning on vacancy savings, but would return for additional appropriations if unforeseen staffing problems arise.
A major portion of the discussion centered on recruitment, retention, and staffing levels. Officials reported a 42% vacancy rate in enforcement ranks, down from 51% in January 2023, with 28 new officers headed to the next academy and 33 new hires already tracked. They said overtime is more expensive than regular staffing because of benefits and that it takes about 11 months for a new hire to break even. Members also asked about the split between incarcerated and supervised populations; the department said it oversees about 1,970 inmates in facilities and just over 4,000 people in the community, with 77 positions supervising the community population and the inmate population remaining the most expensive area.
The committee also discussed how sentencing and statutory changes affect incarceration levels, including misdemeanor/felony thresholds and theft thresholds, with the department agreeing that such changes can significantly affect prison and jail populations. Members asked about education and recidivism, and the department said base education is the most important foundation, followed by vocational training, while noting that many incarcerated men lack a high school diploma. The department also described a $1.3 million reduction in contracted forensic evaluation services, explaining that these evaluations are court-ordered competency assessments and are not statutorily required to be provided by DOC. Finally, members reviewed victim services funding and staffing, including VOCA-supported positions, and the department explained that a new victim witness specialist would help support survivors at parole hearings and safety planning.
MO
Missouri 2026 Regular Session
2026 Legislative Session - Day Sixty Five - Thursday, May 7
Missouri House Floor Meeting
TX
Texas 89th 2nd C.S.
Licensing & Administrative Procedures Apr 8th, 2025
Licensing & Administrative Procedures
Transcript Highlights:
- Over the next 14 years, prices generally increased by roughly 30%, but these fees, all of these fees
- So currently, impound and storage fees have increased to $22.85 per day and the notification fee is still
- the notification fee.
- Specifically, these fees have been frozen in statute for for 14 years, and when the fees were finally
- We're seeking to support, uh, to address those frozen fees.