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FL

Florida 2025 Regular Session

Ethics and Elections Feb 4th, 2025

Transcript Highlights:
  • you're talking about and obviously these ballot boxes in all election material have tamper evident seals
  • All visually some watching seeing these folks put these tamper evident seals on log.
  • The seal numbers I teach and election worker training. Let everybody know the seal number right.
  • I believe the tamper resistance position seal was not tampered with and it was turned.
  • , the numbered seals and the Barcoded SEALs the chain of custody records that for lack of a better word
TX
Transcript Highlights:
  • that you and I discussed, that if not found to be proven guilty, the files are removed, and they're sealed
  • they were accused of an allegation and exonerated for that allegation, then that would be in the sealed
  • But my problem still remains on this is that those sealed files...
  • And sometimes they didn't enter into an agreement, "Hey, if you resign, we'll seal your file."
Bills: SB3073 , SJR87
TX
Transcript Highlights:
  • eighty thousand voted ballots. ballots by mail that appeared to have been counted but were still sealed
  • results and those machines, down to where the machines were, who had the cards, and where they were sealed
  • Security seals on each unit of voting system equipment must be placed to prevent unauthorized access.
  • A procedure has got to be established to document the specific seals placed on each unit, any instances
  • where the seals are removed, including the identity of the individual removing them and the purpose
NH

New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session

House Judiciary (09/30/2025)

Transcript Highlights:
  • You can seal these records.
  • It's a closed session.<00:14:32.240><c> You</c><00:14:32.480><c> can</c><00:14:32.720><c> seal</c><00
  • You can seal these records. You session. You can seal these records.
  • </c> &gt;&gt; deal with the record sealing. &gt;&gt; deal with the record sealing.
  • </c> them in the courts and had them sealed them in the courts and had them sealed so<00:15:39.360><c
Summary: The subcommittee held a work session on HB 313, a bill dealing with non-public sessions and when a person discussed in such a session should be notified or allowed to request that the meeting be open. The chair opened the meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance and invited public comment before committee discussion. The main public testimony came from Phil Jaru, who described a personal dispute with local officials and said the bill should ensure people are notified when they are being discussed in closed session and can request an open meeting. He also argued for limits on non-public sessions, saying they should not be used for matters outside the board’s authority or for what he characterized as gossip, while also trying to avoid interfering with investigations. Committee members focused on the practical and legal problems with the proposal. Several members questioned whether a person should have a right to attend, to demand an open meeting, or simply to receive notice, and whether that right should apply before the meeting or only once the discussion begins. Members raised concerns about situations involving multiple people, children, victims, or other confidentiality interests, and whether a request to open the meeting could conflict when one person wants openness and another wants privacy. One member suggested the bill may be too broad and proposed narrowing it to simple advance notification, possibly by email, rather than an automatic right to open the meeting. The discussion also touched on existing law governing non-public sessions, including the narrow “reputation” exception and Supreme Court cases interpreting it. Members noted that the current statute already limits non-public discussion to the matters stated in the motion, and some suggested that if the concern is boards using non-public sessions for unrelated discussion, that issue may be better addressed by clarifying the existing statute rather than expanding the bill. No vote or final action was taken; the committee appeared to continue working through possible amendments and whether the bill should be narrowed to notification or a right to attend rather than a right to force the meeting open.
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Assembly Public Safety Committee Mar 25th, 2025

Public Safety

Transcript Highlights:
  • Right now, convictions, except for vacated convictions, cannot be sealed.
  • This does not automatically trigger any petition or record sealing and destruction.
  • Before I introduce a... ...is to seal and destroy the records.
  • Sealed records will be treated identically to expunged or diverted records. Thank you.
  • Sealed records will be treated identically to expunged or diverted records.
Committee: House Public Safety
Summary: The committee heard several public safety and criminal justice bills. AB 837 by Assembly Member Davies would add ketamine transportation to existing drug-trafficking law; supporters, including district attorneys and law enforcement groups, said the bill closes a loophole and addresses a growing public safety threat, while opponents argued increased penalties do not reduce drug supply and can discourage people from seeking help. The bill passed on a due pass as amended vote to Appropriations. AB 352 by Assembly Member Pacheco would make threats against judges and court commissioners an aggravating factor in sentencing; supporters cited rising threats to the judiciary, while opponents said existing law already covers threats and aggravating factors. The committee approved it on a due pass vote to Appropriations. AB 938 by Assembly Member Bonta would expand vacature and affirmative defense relief for survivors of human trafficking, intimate partner violence, and sexual violence, including for some violent offenses, and featured powerful testimony from survivor Susan Bustamante and vacature expert Jamie Beck. Supporters said the bill would let survivors tell their full stories and seek justice; opponents, including district attorneys and sheriffs, warned it could go too far by covering violent crimes and could affect public safety. The chair recommended an aye, and the bill passed to Appropriations. AB 475 by Assembly Member Wilson would make prison work assignments voluntary and was framed as part of efforts to end involuntary servitude; supporters linked it to rehabilitation and racial justice, while one member opposed it as inconsistent with accountability and the will of voters. The measure was moved on but left on call pending additional votes. AB 704 by Assembly Member Lowenthal would allow people convicted of low-level misdemeanors before age 26 to petition to seal and destroy records, with supporters emphasizing brain development and the limits of expungement in the digital age. District attorneys opposed it over Brady/discovery concerns and the destruction of records, but the chair recommended aye and it passed to Appropriations. AB 812 by Assembly Member Lowenthal would expand resentencing opportunities for incarcerated firefighters; supporters highlighted the rigor of fire camp work and rehabilitation benefits, while the district attorneys’ association opposed giving firefighters independent petition authority. Testimony on AB 812 was still underway at the end of the excerpt, and no final vote was shown.
US

US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session

US House Floor Proceedings (Friday, January 2, 2026)

US Federal House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • House of Representatives, I have the honor to transmit sealed envelopes received from the White House
  • Representatives, I have the honor to Representatives, I have the honor to transmit<00:08:00.960><c> sealed
  • ><00:08:01.360><c> envelopes</c><00:08:02.240><c> received</c><00:08:02.639><c> from</c> transmit sealed
  • envelopes received from transmit sealed envelopes received from the<00:08:02.960><c> White</c><00:08
OK
Transcript Highlights:
  • Joint seal is the sealant between the concrete slabs, and then there's spall repair, maybe the...
  • So, you can see there are 180,000 linear feet of joint seal, about 1,300 square yards of panel replacement
  • Phase two is about $3.8 million, with 320,000 linear feet of joint seal, 250 square yards of panel replacement
  • There are 91,000 linear feet of joint seal, 7,000 square yards of panel replacement, and about 400 cubic
  • south portion of the parallel taxiway was almost 7 million dollars, with 140,000 linear feet of joint seal
WA

Washington 2025-2026 Regular Session

Joint Legislative Committee on Water Supply During Drought Jun 11th, 2025 at 01:00 pm

Joint Legislative Committee on Water Supply During Drought

Transcript Highlights:
  • And Sage, you might have to weigh in on this too, but we're doing a lot of work to seal these canals,
  • So do we see any change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals and our reservoirs?
  • And Sage, you might have to want to weigh in on this too, but we're doing a lot of work to seal these
  • So do we see any change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals and our reservoirs?
  • “Do we see a change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals at our reservoirs?”
Summary: The Joint Committee on Water Supply During Drought opened its 2025 meeting with member introductions and then held elections for committee leadership. After brief discussion about the committee’s customary rotation and eligibility rules, members unanimously elected Senator Ron Muzzall as chair and Representative Kristine Reeves as vice chair. The outgoing chair, Representative Ybarra, continued presiding for the remainder of the meeting at Senator Muzzall’s request. The committee then heard a presentation from Sage Park of the Roza Irrigation District on current drought conditions in the Yakima Basin. Park described very low reservoir levels, declining water supply forecasts, an early shutdown of deliveries, and the district’s response measures, including a 10-day shutdown, pump-backs, leased water, canal piping, and on-farm conservation. She also noted impacts on growers, including fallowing and removal of thousands of acres of crops, and emphasized the need for continued emergency drought funding, faster and more efficient state lease assistance, and support for fish-related water needs and longer-term drought resiliency funding. Urban Eberhard then presented on the Kittitas Reclamation District and the Yakima Basin Integrated Plan. He highlighted extensive on-farm conservation, canal piping and lining, SCADA/telemetry improvements, and the Springwood reservoir project, which is intended to improve water storage, delivery reliability, and fish flows. Members asked about the reservoir’s potential for hydro generation and about effects on groundwater recharge from canal lining; Eberhard said hydro is being considered in feasibility work and that managed aquifer recharge is being monitored and incorporated into planning. The committee did not take any further legislative action beyond the leadership elections.
WA

Washington 2025-2026 Regular Session

Joint Legislative Committee on Water Supply During Drought Jun 11th, 2025

Joint Legislative Committee on Water Supply During Drought

Transcript Highlights:
  • And Sage, you might have to weigh in on this too, but we're doing a lot of work to seal these canals,
  • So do we see any change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals and our reservoirs?
  • And Sage, you might have to want to weigh in on this too, but we're doing a lot of work to seal these
  • So do we see any change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals and our reservoirs?
  • “Do we see a change in the aquifer because of the sealing of the canals at our reservoirs?”
Summary: The Joint Committee on Water Supply During Drought opened its 2025 meeting by electing new leadership. After brief discussion of the committee’s membership and the usual practice of alternating leadership between chambers and parties, members unanimously elected Senator Ron Mazzal as chair and Representative Christine Reeves as vice chair. The outgoing chair, Representative Ybarra, continued presiding for the remainder of the meeting at Senator Mazzal’s request. The committee then heard a presentation from Sage Park of the Rosa Irrigation District on the severe 2025 water year. Park said Rosa is facing very low reservoir levels, declining water supply forecasts, and an earlier-than-planned end to the irrigation season. She described the district’s conservation and drought response measures, including canal shutdowns, pump-backs, leased water, on-farm fallowing and water pooling, emergency well permits, and long-term investments in piping, sealant, drip irrigation, and storage. Park also urged continued emergency drought funding, more efficient state lease funding processes, and support for water releases that benefit fish during drought conditions. Urban Eberhard then presented on the Kittitas Reclamation District and the Yakima Basin Integrated Plan. He described widespread on-farm conservation, reduced acre allocations, early shutoffs expected in late summer, and ongoing infrastructure work such as piping, lining, telemetry, and the Springwood reservoir project. He emphasized that these projects are intended to improve water delivery, support fish flows, and provide future storage, including possible hydroelectric generation as part of feasibility work. In response to a question, he said the districts are monitoring aquifer impacts from canal lining and are working on managed aquifer recharge to direct conserved water to beneficial groundwater areas. No additional votes or formal actions were taken after the leadership elections.
NH

New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session

House Election Law (03/04/2025)

Election Law

Transcript Highlights:
  • And the frangible paper seals, I'm assuming that means the seals that we're already using, which you
  • Right now, the way we suggest that people seal their boxes is that they seal them with packing tape,
  • So right now, the way we suggest that people seal their boxes is that they seal them with packing tape
  • They do look sealed.
  • sealed sealed thank<00:31:30.519><c> representative</c> thank representative thank representative toner
Committee: House Election Law
MO
Transcript Highlights:
  • Fines are increased for notary seal vendors who do not comply with the new law from $1,000 to $10,000
  • On what this bill does is that it would make a fake notary seal that would become a felony?
  • If you are a manufacturer of notary seals and you gave a notary seal to someone that was not a notary
  • You're raising penalties for notaries, and you're putting a penalty on people who sell notary seals.
  • You're raising penalties for notaries, and you're putting a penalty on people who sell notary seals.
Summary: The House met after a quorum call and several members introduced job shadows, interns, and 4-H guests. Once 93 members were present, the chamber moved to House Bills for Perfection. House Bill 1707 was taken up first and amended with a title change; sponsors said it would stop the Department of Revenue from taxing credit card processing fees charged to vendors. Members described it as a small-business measure, and the bill was ordered perfected and printed as amended. The House then considered House Committee Substitute for House Bill 2819, which would authorize rounding cash sales to the nearest five cents in light of the penny’s elimination. Supporters said it would give businesses clear authority to round and avoid compliance problems or lawsuits. The substitute was adopted and the bill was ordered perfected and printed. House Committee Substitute for House Bill 2103 followed, a property-fraud and notary-fraud bill that would require warning signs in recorder offices, increase penalties for false filings and notary-related fraud, and raise fines for notary seal vendors. Supporters said it was aimed at deterring deed fraud and protecting homeowners; some members questioned whether it went far enough or whether it could burden honest notaries. The substitute was adopted and the bill was ordered perfected and printed. House Bill 1800, dealing with the Hancock Amendment inflationary growth factor for property tax assessments, drew the most debate. An amendment changed the title and another amendment lowered the cap on revenue growth from 5% to 3% when inflation exceeds that level. Supporters argued it would help taxpayers keep more of their money; opponents warned it would reduce funding for schools, fire districts, ambulance districts, libraries, and community colleges and could force more frequent ballot measures. The amendment and the bill were both adopted, and the bill was ordered perfected and printed. House Committee Substitute for House Bill 2600, which would create a clearer process for ambulance district consolidation and improve rural EMS access, was also amended to preserve county commission authority over subdistricts, allow at-large districts in some cases, require voter approval for mergers, and tighten timing and election procedures. Members said the changes would help struggling ambulance districts while keeping local control, and the substitute was adopted and ordered perfected and printed. The House then adjourned after announcements about upcoming committee meetings and events.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

02/11/2026 - House Judiciary

House Judiciary Committee of Reference

Transcript Highlights:
  • in their courts and notice that while the legislature has made policy decisions to allow people to seal
  • So what HB2198 does is remedy this oversight by allowing the justices to seal petty offenses, issues.
  • 8 does is remedy this oversight by allowing the justices to seal petty offenses once the defendant has
  • You know, over the years, the legislature has passed several bills that do allow folks to seal their
  • parent being charged with truancy and then they would like to allow that person the opportunity to seal
Summary: The committee heard several bills on criminal justice, public safety, and family law. HB 2047 would elevate trespass after service of a writ of restitution from third-degree to first-degree criminal trespass; the sponsor and a constables association representative said the current misdemeanor penalty is too low and discourages law enforcement response when former tenants refuse to leave. The bill passed with a do pass recommendation on a 6-2 vote. HB 2136, which creates offenses for civil terrorism and subversion, expands racketeering predicates, and increases penalties for certain coordinated disorderly conduct and highway obstruction, drew extensive debate. Supporters said it targets coordinated intimidation and violent disruption, while opponents from the ACLU, immigrant advocacy groups, and others argued it would criminalize protest and speech. The committee approved it 6-3 after a long exchange over whether it would apply to events like January 6th and Arizona protest incidents. HB 2970, a jurisdictional clarification for fraudulent schemes and artifices, would allow Arizona to prosecute even if not every act occurred in the state. The sponsor said it would help local law enforcement pursue mortgage fraud and similar cases that are currently referred elsewhere, while an opposition witness said existing law already covers the conduct and warned of forum shopping. The bill received a do pass recommendation on a 6-3 vote. HB 2411 would make it a class 2 felony to knowingly administer abortion-inducing drugs to a pregnant woman without her knowledge or consent and with intent to cause an abortion. Supporters framed it as a protection against coercion and reproductive abuse; opponents said the conduct is already criminalized and warned of unintended effects on access to care. It also passed 6-3. The committee also approved HB 2198, which would allow immediate sealing of petty offense records after sentence completion, with supporters calling it a cleanup measure to extend record-sealing relief to minor offenses. HB 2966, which would bar early termination of probation for dangerous crimes against children, prompted emotional testimony from a parent of an autistic son convicted in a child pornography case, along with opposition from attorneys and advocates who raised ex post facto, juvenile justice, and probation-resource concerns. The Maricopa County Attorney’s Office said the bill could raise constitutional and workload issues but might be amendable; the committee ultimately passed it 6-3. The final bill discussed, HB 2662, would tighten expert-evidence standards in parenting-time cases involving alleged domestic violence or abuse, requiring recognized expertise and empirically validated methods while excluding polygraphs and similar techniques; the sponsor described it as a narrow evidentiary safeguard for child-related custody disputes.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

02/11/2026 - House Judiciary

Judiciary

Transcript Highlights:
  • in their courts and notice that while the legislature has made policy decisions to allow people to seal
  • So what HB2198 does is remedy this oversight by allowing the justices to seal petty offenses, issues.
  • 8 does is remedy this oversight by allowing the justices to seal petty offenses once the defendant has
  • You know, over the years, the legislature has passed several bills that do allow folks to seal their
  • parent being charged with truancy and then they would like to allow that person the opportunity to seal
NM

New Mexico 2026 Regular Session

Senate - Finance Jan 30th, 2026 at 09:14 am

Senate Finance

Transcript Highlights:
  • One patrol yard is very good at sealing the cracks in the highway; another patrol yard doesn't seal cracks
  • The patrol yard doesn't seal cracks in the highway.
  • You know, when we can't get to a fog seal on a recently paved stretch of road, we can't get to crack
  • sealing because of budget constraints.
  • When we can't get to a fog seal on a recently paved stretch of road, we can't get to crack sealing because
US

US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session

US House Floor Proceedings (Wednesday, April 2, 2025)

US Federal House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • It is a metal seal that says member of Congress.
  • It</c><00:17:15.439><c> is</c><00:17:15.520><c> a</c><00:17:15.760><c> metal</c><00:17:16.079><c> seal
  • It is a metal seal that says there.
  • It is a metal seal that says member<00:17:17.760><c> of</c><00:17:17.919><c> Congress.
NH

New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session

Senate Executive Departments and Administration (04/09/2025)

Executive Departments and Administration

Transcript Highlights:
  • Number four: no lettering or seals. Well, there's a seal, of course.
  • And it's the symbol on the state seal.
  • Uh, that's the state seal, the Raleigh.
  • Number four: no lettering or seals. Well, there's a seal, of course. And words defeat the the word.
  • Well, there's a lettering or seals.
AZ
Transcript Highlights:
  • You have to buy seals for it, you have to buy a container for it, you have to have personnel to run it
  • You have to buy seals for it, you have to buy a container for it, you have to have personnel to run it
  • More serious offenses can be sealed. More serious offenses can be sealed.
  • The JPs, because they deal with petty offenses, noticed that those petty offenses cannot be sealed.
  • the judge on another offense or misdemeanor, does the judge have access to these sealed records for
Summary: The committee first approved prior minutes and announced several bills were being held at sponsors’ request, including HB 4117 and several House concurrent resolutions. It then heard HB 2811, which would expand obstructing governmental operations to include knowingly hindering a lawful arrest by a third party and make it a felony. Supporters, including a county attorney’s office representative, argued it would close a loophole and protect officers during arrests; opponents from criminal defense and civil liberties groups said it duplicated existing resisting arrest and hindering prosecution laws and could chill First Amendment activity such as filming police. After debate over prosecutorial discretion and constitutional concerns, the committee recommended HB 2811 do pass by a 3-2 vote with one member not voting. The committee next considered HB 2665, a “Cade’s Law” proposal to treat intentionally providing advice or encouragement through directed online communication to a minor to die by suicide as manslaughter. The sponsor and family members of suicide victims described the bill as a response to social media-driven encouragement of self-harm and urged stronger accountability. The bill drew no opposition testimony in the excerpt and passed with a 6-0 vote, with one member not voting. The committee then heard HB 2857, allowing ADCRR to store inmate medical records electronically and dispose of paper copies, which passed 5-1 after testimony from the department’s medical provider about space and efficiency. HB 2226 followed, requiring courts to ask about veteran status at initial appearance, notify prosecutors, and connect veterans with Arizona Department of Veterans Services and treatment or diversion options; an amendment shifted the notice duty from prosecutors to courts. The sponsor and veterans’ advocates said the bill would help identify veterans with PTSD or other needs and reduce recidivism, and the committee adopted the amendment and passed the bill unanimously, 6-0. The committee then took up HB 2168, which would require county board approval before the Attorney General could bring a public nuisance abatement action in superior court. The sponsor argued the AG had overreached in cases involving a dairy, an aluminum plant, and a rail line, while opponents said the bill would weaken statewide enforcement and protect corporate polluters; the bill passed 3-2 with two not voting. Finally, the committee heard HB 2966, which would bar early termination of lifetime probation for dangerous crimes against children and apply that restriction retroactively. Supporters framed it as protecting children and ensuring offenders serve full probation terms, while survivors, defense attorneys, and the Sex Offender Management Board’s concerns were cited in opposition, with critics warning about loss of judicial discretion, constitutional issues, and reduced incentives for compliance. The bill passed 4-2 with one not voting. The last item in the excerpt was HCR 2001, a voter referral measure to end early voting on the Friday before Election Day, require government-issued ID for voting, and prohibit foreign contributions; an amendment removed the early-voting cutoff and some ID-related provisions while adding on-site tabulation language and other changes. The sponsor argued it would improve election security and speed results, while counties and other opponents raised cost, implementation, and access concerns, especially around on-site tabulation and mail voting. The testimony portion of HCR 2001 was underway when the excerpt ended.
NM

New Mexico 2026 Regular Session

Senate Chamber Jan 22nd, 2026 at 11:13 am

New Mexico Senate Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • Senator Seals: Thank you, Mr. President.
  • Thank you, Senator Seals.
  • Signed and sealed at the Capitol in the city of Santa Fe, Senator Linda M.
  • We have Senator Seale-Lopez, followed by Senator Stewart. Senator Seale-Lopez: Thank you, Mr.
  • Thank you, Senator Seals. Seeing no flow, Senator Woods.
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Judiciary Committee Jan 13th, 2026

Transcript Highlights:
  • Sealing original birth certificates has potential negative health implications, as an adoptee does not
  • Sealing only takes place at adoption, not at relinquishment, because the intent is to protect adoptees
  • Sealing only takes place at adoption, not at relinquishment, because the intent is to protect adoptees
  • Sealed birth certificates are based on lies, that our lives and our children's lives would be better
  • Sealed birth certificates are based on lies, that our lives and our children's lives would be better
Summary: The committee heard and acted on several bills. SB 479 by Senator Arreguín would allow Berkeley, Long Beach, and Pasadena, as local health jurisdictions, to use multidisciplinary homeless response teams and share specified information across departments; supporters said it would improve coordination and services for unsheltered residents, and the bill passed 9-0 to Appropriations. SB 46 by Senator Umberg would direct the Secretary of State to keep constitutionally ineligible presidential candidates off the California ballot, including anyone who has already served two terms; supporters argued it was a constitutional enforcement measure, while Senator Niello questioned whether it was needed, and it passed 6-1 to Appropriations. SB 99 by Senator Blakespear would improve coordination between military and civilian systems by requiring courts and law enforcement to account for military protective orders and notify military authorities of possible violations; the Department of Defense supported it, while the ACLU raised due process concerns, and it passed 6-0 to Appropriations. SB 719 by Senator Cabaldon would extend the sunset on state reporting about high-risk automated decision systems from 2029 to 2032, and it passed 6-0 to Appropriations. SB 300 by Senator Padilla would strengthen California’s new AI chatbot law by requiring operators to prevent minors from being exposed to sexually explicit material; supporters said the existing law was insufficient, while industry groups warned against expanding a brand-new regime before it had been tested, and it passed 9-0 to Appropriations. SB 381 by Senator Wahab would allow adult adoptees, and descendants of adoptees, to obtain original birth certificates and create a nonbinding contact preference form for birth parents; supporters described health, identity, and dignity concerns, while some members raised privacy concerns, and it passed 13-0 to the Senate Health Committee. SB 33 by Senator Cortese would eliminate the sunset on the public works contractor claim-resolution process, with supporters saying it reduces litigation and speeds payment, and it passed 10-0 to Appropriations.
ND

North Dakota 2026 1st Special Session

Protection and Victim Services Committee May 13th, 2026 at 09:00 am

Protection and Victim Services Committee

Transcript Highlights:
  • And so if you look at 12.1-41-14, it allows for a motion to be filed to vacate and seal a conviction
  • I don't understand why we condition that seal.
  • However, as we know in dealing with several different bills last session, when a record is sealed, it
  • So if we're going to seal that, I think we should treat it the way it was intended and actually seal
  • If we're going to seal that, I think we should treat it the way it was intended and actually seal it.