Video & Transcript Research : 'unpasteurized milk'

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TX

Texas 89th 2nd C.S.

Agriculture & Livestock Mar 4th, 2025

Agriculture & Livestock

Transcript Highlights:
  • It was first described as a milk drop syndrome. epidemiologic work is ongoing to further classify or
  • And also there is a new plant underway south of Waco that Walmart is going to put in to do fluid milk
  • We still have a portion of milk that is in East Texas surrounded by poultry operations.
  • So, uh, 82% of the milk comes in the top of the state.
  • shed or large dairy shed in the state makes up predominant of all of our milk in the state.
FL

Florida 2026 Regular Session

Agriculture Oct 7th, 2025

Agriculture

Transcript Highlights:
  • Here's Milking Our Dairy in Okeechobee.
  • I'm a fifth-generation dairy farmer here at Milking Our Dairy.
  • We currently milk 1,600 cows, and it's our passion.
  • So we sell milk, whole milk, chocolate milk, ice cream, all flavors, and also we do beef as well.
  • , we could provide about 120,000 people a gallon of milk in their refrigerator every week.
Summary: The Senate Committee on Agriculture convened with a quorum and heard presentations focused on land conservation and agricultural preservation in Florida. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services briefed the committee on the Rural and Family Lands Protection Program, explaining that it protects active agricultural lands through permanent conservation easements while keeping land in private ownership and on the tax rolls. The presentation emphasized eligibility for greenbelted active agricultural operations, required best management practices, and the program’s role in protecting food supply, water resources, habitat, and military buffering. Officials said the program’s 2025 ranked list includes 428 projects, with about 75 projects expected to start this year, and noted strong partnership funding from federal, local, and conservation partners. Committee members asked about eligibility, annual re-ranking, local government involvement, and the number of projects likely to receive funding. Tracy Dean of Conservation Florida testified in support of continued and increased funding for land conservation, arguing that Florida is losing agricultural and natural lands and that conservation easements and fee-simple acquisitions are complementary tools. She said land trusts work with willing landowners to protect ranches, wetlands, forests, and wildlife corridors, and stressed the importance of maintaining momentum so projects do not stall as land values rise. In discussion with senators, she said public access to conserved lands depends on the specific deal and the landowner’s goals, and that access is more commonly provided through lands acquired for parks, forests, and other public green space. The Department of Environmental Protection then updated the committee on the Florida Forever program. DEP said the program uses both conservation easements and fee-simple acquisitions, with about half of acquisitions done through easements, and that it provides benefits including water quality, habitat protection, recreation, and military readiness. Officials reported 60 projects on the 2025-26 work plan, most in the Florida Wildlife Corridor, and said the state has invested more than $1.4 billion since 2019, acquiring over 374,000 acres. They highlighted recent acquisitions for Sandy Creek State Forest, Catfish Creek Preserve State Park, and a new state park in Walton County, as well as the program’s 200th conservation easement. The committee also discussed funding levels, payment in lieu of taxes impacts on small counties, and broader priorities such as citrus, roads, and support for agriculture; no votes were taken, and the meeting ended with adjournment.
MN

Minnesota 2025 1st Special Session

House Capital Investment Committee 2/27/25

Capital Investment

Transcript Highlights:
  • First District in Minnesota is where the largest milk processing plant in the state is.
  • First District in Minnesota is where the largest milk processing plant in the state is.
  • First District in Minnesota is where the largest milk processing plant in the state is.
  • First District in Minnesota is where the largest milk processing plant in the state is.
  • We process 7.5 million pounds of milk a day into the plant.
Bills: HF919, HF1192, HF212, HF214
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Committee on Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband and Rural Development - 04/04/25

Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband, and Rural Development

Transcript Highlights:
  • So, uh, the small milk producer<00:58:46.160> or<00:58:46.400> milk<00:58:46.720> purchaser
  • on the farm is uh somebody buying milk on the farm is not<00:59:11.359> a<00:59:11.520> milk
  • Um that was not a milk purchaser.
  • would be subject to now this new milk would be subject to now this new milk milk<00:59:49.119>
  • And this this milk purchasing license.
Keywords: 1187, senate, all
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Committee on Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband and Rural Development - 02/19/25

Agriculture, Veterans, Broadband, and Rural Development

Transcript Highlights:
  • I mean, this is about milk, it's about vegetables, protein, and there's even a report, Mr.
  • It was $1.95 million each year, with $850,000 for milk.
  • The base funding is $1.7 million a year, including $600,000 for milk.
  • We're not seeing the value, and we're worried about having enough milk.
  • we're worried about having enough milk we're worried about having enough milk farm<00:14:43.079>
Keywords: 1187, senate, all
KY
Transcript Highlights:
  • Is there a way we can be offering, well, here's a home test kit, so before you drink the raw milk, just
  • and milk specifically, that's a function of UK and their programs that they have at the University of
  • > that's<00:02:43.080> a raw milk and milk specifically that's a raw milk and milk specifically
  • Uh, many ways to utilize milk and make money on it. Um, we have uh some other things.
  • Uh, many ways to utilize milk and make money on it. Um, we have uh some other things.
Keywords: 958, all
Summary: The committee heard extended testimony from Agriculture Commissioner Jonathan Shell and several senators about using agriculture economic development funds to make Kentucky farms more profitable and attract related businesses. Discussion focused on expanding markets for corn, soybeans, beef, dairy, and other products through biofuels, sustainable aviation fuel, feedlots, processing plants, transportation, and other infrastructure that would keep more value in-state. Members also discussed the profitability pressures on farmers, high land prices, and the need for small-farm support and aggregation programs such as Kentucky Proud, BCAL, KOAP, CAP, food-is-medicine efforts, LFPA, and farm-to-school initiatives. Senators raised specific ideas and concerns, including raw milk and food-freedom innovation, support for 5-acre and other small farms, and the possibility of a beef processing plant in Kentucky. Shell said raw milk testing is not currently a department function but could be explored with legislative direction, and he emphasized that Kentucky must first prove it can feed cattle at scale before a processor is likely to locate here. He also argued that changing conditions in the West and Midwest, including water limits, workforce shortages, and regulatory pressure, could make Kentucky increasingly competitive for beef processing and feedlot operations. Several senators shared personal farming experiences to underscore the difficulty of making a living in agriculture and the need for off-farm income or value-added businesses. They cited examples such as grain storage, dairy products, chicken and hog operations, and restaurant or rental income supporting farm operations. Commissioner Shell said the fund is intended to fill gaps and attract businesses that need Kentucky agricultural products, creating premium markets and more local jobs. After questions concluded, the committee took up the bill, with a motion by Senator Richardson and a second by Senator Nunn. The roll call was taken, and the bill passed unanimously. The committee then moved to adjourn.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Agriculture Committee Meeting - 2025-03-26

Agriculture Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • able to determine that we have not found that pasteurized milk is, you know, safe for the public to
  • Not to get super controversial here or anything. ...But I would say, as we see folks having raw milk
  • around the state, the department has also advised and worked with farmers that sell raw milk to pull
  • In the other piece, on line 1.4 of the amendment, testing of milk before retail sale, and we've been.
  • I mean, again, the milk is safe, but here we're appropriating money to test milk before the retail.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Agriculture Finance and Policy Committee 3/2/26

Agriculture Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • So, we they had to go milk the cows.
  • What once was about $200 a month to haul our milk now became $4,600 per month to haul milk.
  • In rising shipping costs in our milk.
  • /c><00:41:01.839> milk.
  • >> Uh, we process our milk.
Bills: HF3580, HF3566
Summary: The committee first approved the minutes from the previous meeting and then heard from Minnesota FFA officers, who described FFA as a student-led agricultural education organization focused on leadership, personal growth, and career success. The students explained the three-part model of agricultural education, the size and reach of FFA in Minnesota, and upcoming events at the Capitol, including an agricultural policy experience conference and FFA Day at the Capitol. Members asked about FFA’s role in encouraging the next generation of farmers, the organization’s broader focus beyond farming to include wildlife and other natural resources careers, and the mix of rural, metro, and urban chapters. The students emphasized that FFA and agricultural educators help students discover career paths and that urban chapters are active and thriving alongside rural ones. The committee then received a presentation from the Minnesota Department of Agriculture on the Agri program. The department described Agri as a legislature-created program that uses producer-payment funds to support roughly 15 grant and cost-share programs, including newer efforts such as Protect and Prepare. Testimony stressed transparency and fraud prevention: Agri is reimbursement-based, requires detailed documentation, conducts site visits on grants over $25,000, and has identified and stopped more than a dozen fraudulent applications in the past year. The department also noted a prior legislative auditor review of two larger Agri programs and said only about one-tenth of 1% of reviewed expenditures were recommended for recovery. The department highlighted the Make It Minnesota cost-share program, which helps Minnesota food and agriculture companies attend national trade shows such as Natural Products Expo West. Testifiers then described how Agri has supported their businesses: Mark Schiller of Lon Liquor in Northfield said the program helped his microdistillery expand into milling organic flour and adding food service, while Pete Gangler of Snowpack Foods in Caledonia said Agri grants supported food safety improvements, processing capacity, and a new freezer warehouse project. The department said additional grantees would testify as well, and members asked whether the department’s fraud-prevention practices could be shared with other state agencies; staff said they already are being shared through interagency best-practice efforts.
MN
Transcript Highlights:
  • Taking into account the to produce milk.
  • Uh, Lucas Sjostrom, Executive Director of the Minnesota Milk Producers Association.
  • Uh, Lucas Sjostrom, Executive Director of the Minnesota Milk Producers Association.
  • Uh, Lucas Sjostrom, Executive Director of the Minnesota Milk Producers Association.
  • Chair and members, if it failed financially, I am not sure who would milk the cows.
Keywords: 1183, house
NH
Transcript Highlights:
  • The milk is safe to drink; it's pasteurized.
  • The milk is safe to drink; it's pasteurized.
  • The milk is safe to drink; it's pasteurized.
  • New Hampshire we're monitoring milk New Hampshire we're monitoring milk we're<03:35:52.359> communicating
  • is virus in the milk dairy count milk is virus in the milk dairy count milk is usually<03:36:12.279
Keywords: 928, house, all
Summary: The Environment and Agriculture Committee held an introductory orientation for members, many of whom were new or newly assigned to the committee. Leadership emphasized that the committee is intended to operate in a nonpartisan, collaborative way, and members introduced themselves and described their backgrounds in farming, gardening, food service, environmental work, water and waste issues, veterinary work, and related fields. Several members noted personal ties to homesteading, livestock, orcharding, food security, landfill concerns, and animal welfare, while others said they were eager to learn the committee’s work. The chair then reviewed committee procedures and expectations. Members were told the committee would generally meet on Tuesdays, with hearings starting around 10 a.m. and often running until about 4:30 p.m., and that absences, substitutes for executive sessions, and email communications would be handled through House rules and the committee’s email system. The chair also covered decorum rules for live-streamed meetings, including professional dress, limiting food and drink at the table, and giving full attention to witnesses. Members were reminded that legislative emails are subject to public records laws and that the committee may soon transition to a new email domain. The chair also explained logistics such as bill folders, committee room storage, and emergency procedures for evacuation or shelter-in-place. No bills were debated or voted on in this meeting, but the chair noted that the committee already had roughly two dozen bills pending, including animal welfare, landfill, policy, and cat-and-dog related measures. Members were told to expect a broad mix of topics beyond agriculture, including solid waste and animal-related legislation.
NM

New Mexico 2025 Regular Session

IC - Water and Natural Resources Nov 18th, 2025

Water & Natural Resources Committee

Transcript Highlights:
  • The SM 19 50% beef, milk, cheese, and other products demand.
  • Milk, fruit, and vegetables are included in every reimbursable lunch.
  • Milk 4,160 tons. And then produce such as vegetables 1,560 tons.
  • We were talking about the milk products. And I know that Ms.
  • New Mexico milk goes into that cheese.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Education Finance Committee 3/12/26

Education Finance

Transcript Highlights:
  • And the store to buy a gallon of milk.
  • You either come home with milk and no candy bar, or do you come home with the candy bar and no milk.
  • You either come home with milk and no candy bar, or do you come home with the candy bar and no milk.
  • And I would stay for any questions. afford the milk. And the candy bar was a afford the milk.
  • nice to have and the milk is necessary. nice to have and the milk is necessary.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

03/18/2026 - Senate Regulatory Affairs and Government Efficiency

Regulatory Affairs and Government Efficiency

Transcript Highlights:
  • My body didn't begin producing milk until six days after she was born.
  • However, just weeks later, only 20% of infants receive human milk.
  • Human milk elicits a dose-dependent response, meaning the longer the infant receives it or the woman
  • creates milk, you have increased benefits, and I'll qualify that with some scientific examples.
  • Reductions for women, the process of making milk, result in a lifelong reduction in breast cancer by
Summary: The Committee on Regulatory Affairs and Government Efficiency approved the March 11, 2026 minutes and then heard several bills. HB 2686, a patient-protection measure for outpatient surgical facilities, would require surgeons to file and update a call-coverage plan for hospital complications; the sponsor said it would improve continuity of care and reduce emergency room confusion, and the committee recommended it do pass. HB 2051 would require AHCCCS contractors, subject to CMS approval, to cover breastfeeding and lactation services in multiple settings; supporters described it as a maternal and infant health measure, AHCCCS was neutral and noted a projected state cost of about $1.8 million, and the bill received a do-pass recommendation on a 6-0 vote with one member not voting. The committee also approved HB 2837, which requires compensation disclosure for testimony or written comments in municipal zoning matters and requires certain municipal board members or hearing officers to disclose and recuse for recent conflicts involving entities they served; the sponsor framed it as a transparency and conflict-of-interest bill, and it passed 6-0 with one not voting. HB 2875, concerning commercial drone delivery systems, was amended to allow local regulation of drone facilities near medium and large hub airports within a 2.5-mile buffer and to require consultation with airports; Zipline and industry groups supported the measure as providing regulatory clarity, and the committee adopted the amendment and recommended the bill do pass. HB 2324 would let cities with their own fire codes, through an intergovernmental agreement, have city fire inspectors enforce those codes on county-owned buildings in city limits when state enforcement is burdensome; county and fire officials said it would resolve jurisdictional confusion, and the bill passed 6-0 with one not voting. HB 2439 would exempt single-user public or semi-public cold plunges from ADEQ spa rules, and an amendment removed ADEQ rulemaking authority; county health representatives said the change would reduce confusion, but one member raised public-health concerns, and the amended bill passed 4-2 with one not voting. HB 2457 would allow utilities to bypass the certificate of environmental compatibility process for new plants co-located with large electricity users after notice and a public comment session; the Sierra Club opposed it as reducing public review, while supporters said it preserved some local input and improved efficiency, and it passed 4-2 with one not voting. Finally, HB 2953 would cap certain nondisciplinary and civil penalties imposed by the Board of Pharmacy at $25,000 and allow lower penalties based on prior activity; a supporter said it matched limits used in other regulatory contexts, and the committee recommended it do pass unanimously.
NH
Transcript Highlights:
  • We went through this when we were passing the raw milk bill. That this was going to happen.
  • We went through this when we were passing the raw milk bill. That this was going to happen.
  • We went through this when we were passing the raw milk bill. That this was going to happen.
  • We went through this when we were passing the raw milk bill. That this was going to happen.
  • <00:46:04.640> bill the raw milk bill the raw milk bill >> that<00:46:06.079> this
Keywords: 928, house, all
Summary: The Environment and Agriculture Committee held a work session and then executive session on HB 396, which would allow processing of beef cows, swine, sheep, and goats at facilities not certified by USDA. Representative Comtois presented a revised amendment after prior drafting issues were corrected. The changes narrowed the bill to cuts of meat rather than meat food products, clarified labeling for amenable and non-amenable species, removed an exemption from federal law, struck a seasonal date range at Representative Bixby’s request, and reinstated a previously removed section. Supporters said the amendment now had clearer language and better safeguards, while some members still expressed reservations about the underlying policy. Testimony from DHHS food safety officials emphasized that the department does not inspect custom-exempt facilities and would have little oversight unless there were a complaint or foodborne outbreak. They noted concerns about removing the September 1 to April 30 date range, explaining it had been included in the original bill because of temperature and storage concerns for large animals, and they also said the amendment appeared to focus documentation requirements on bison, elk, and red deer. Committee members and witnesses debated whether the proposal would create food safety risks, whether farmers should instead be educated and helped to aggregate processing capacity, and whether the bill would expose farmers, retailers, and restaurants to federal enforcement risk. Rob Johnson of the New Hampshire Farm Bureau said the organization had recently voted down a policy opposing state regulations that would allow uninspected meat sales at retail, and he said he needed to consult further with Farm Bureau leadership before taking a position on HB 396. He suggested the bill should use the broader term “dairy and beef cattle” rather than “beef cows” for consistency. Supporters argued the bill would help small farmers, expand local food access, and reflect an intrastate policy choice despite conflict with federal law. The committee then moved into executive session and voted to approve amendment 2025-3090H, with members stating they would likely have different views on the bill itself.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Agriculture Finance and Policy Committee 2/26/25

Agriculture Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • USDA has instituted a national milk surveillance program, so we're required, all states, to submit milk
  • Minnesota's number one in turkeys, number two in hogs, and seventh in milk production.
  • Minnesota's number one in turkeys, number two in hogs, and seventh in milk production.
  • Minnesota's number one in turkeys, number two in hogs, and seventh in milk production.
  • Minnesota's number one in turkeys, number two in hogs, and seventh in milk production.
Bills: HF601, HF271, HF1101, HF979
US

US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session

US House Floor Proceedings (Monday, February 23, 2026)

US Federal House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • In 1991, Arden founded the Progressive Agriculture Organization, where he advocated fair milk prices
  • manufactured purposes, classified as Class II milk, by using national average cost of production.
  • More recently, he helped get whole milk back in schools.
  • MANUFACTURED PURPOSES, CLASSIFIED AS CLASS TWO MILK, BY USING NATIONAL AVERAGE COST OF PRODUCTION.
  • MORE RECENTLY, HE HELPED GET THE WHOLE MILK BACK IN SCHOOLS.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

01/22/2026 - House Health & Human Services

Health & Human Services

Transcript Highlights:
  • Also, breast milk is best for gut health in regards to feeding the gut microbes.
  • Human milk is a public...
  • Human milk is a public health equalizer.
  • The well-known short-term infant benefits of human milk include reduced incidence of respiratory and
  • That support addressed latch issues, increased milk production, and restored her confidence.
Summary: The committee opened with attendance and member introductions, then heard a series of health-related bills, many focused on access to care in rural and underserved communities. HB 2049 would allow particle accelerators for radiation therapy in critical access hospitals and counties under 400,000 population under general supervision; sponsors and rural oncology witnesses said it would reduce travel burdens for cancer patients while maintaining safety protocols. HB 2050 updated radiologic technologist statutes to align with current national standards, adjust accreditation and clinical-hour requirements, and allow radiologist assistants to work under supervision rather than direct supervision; an amendment also added registered nurses to the list of professionals not needing a separate license to use diagnostic X-ray machines. Both bills were supported by testimony about workforce shortages and access, though one member voted no on HB 2050 over concerns about oversight and board authority. Both measures received do-pass recommendations, with HB 2050 amended. The committee then unanimously advanced HB 2082, which creates a Childhood Cancer and Rare Childhood Disease Research Commission to award grants for phase-one pediatric cancer and rare disease trials. Testimony came from families affected by pediatric brain cancer, including a parent who described traveling internationally for treatment and a college student currently undergoing treatment who urged the state to invest in research. Members expressed strong sympathy and support, and the bill passed 12-0. Next, HB 2015 would require Access to cover breastfeeding and lactation services in multiple settings; the sponsor and medical witnesses described breastfeeding as preventive care with benefits for infants and mothers, while Access testified neutral and noted a fiscal estimate was being developed and that the amendment would protect the state if CMS does not approve the services. The bill, as amended, also received a unanimous do-pass recommendation. The committee also approved HB 2177, which directs Access to seek CMS waivers so tribal and Indian Health Service facilities can be reimbursed for certain covered services, including dental care, for American Indian and Alaska Native members. The sponsor and a Sage Memorial Hospital representative said the bill would help rural tribal facilities keep services local and maximize federal matching funds; it passed unanimously as amended. HB 2178, requiring a state agency medical chief officer to hold an active medical or osteopathic license, was described as a cleanup measure after a lapse in licensure exposed a statutory gap, and it also passed unanimously. HB 2179, which clarifies definitions separating air ambulance from ground ambulance regulation, was supported as a technical clarification to avoid unintended consequences and likewise received unanimous approval. Finally, the committee advanced HB 2183, which creates an emergency medicine study committee to examine Arizona’s EMS system, including rural and urban capacity, workforce burnout, uncompensated care, and emergency department utilization. The sponsor said the study would help the state understand system pressures and identify policy solutions; firefighters, health care advocates, and an emergency medicine nurse practitioner testified in support, emphasizing the ER’s role as the safety net and the strain from staffing shortages, rural closures, and high volumes. The bill was still under discussion at the end of the transcript, with testimony continuing after the initial supporters spoke.
NH

New Hampshire 2026 Regular Session

Senate Commerce (02/10/2026)

Commerce

Transcript Highlights:
  • If you step back, you can buy raw milk or raw milk yogurt in the state of New Hampshire, right?
  • We have done this with raw milk.
  • ." "...about real milk—I'm going to call it raw milk, but it's really real milk—which got passed and
  • Raw milk, real milk, is sold at co-ops.
  • We have sold meat and milk, raw milk, direct to consumer for about 12 years.
Keywords: 1191, senate, all
MN

Minnesota 2025 1st Special Session

House Floor Session 5/18/25 - Part 1

Minnesota House Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • We uh maintain Minnesota's milk processing capacity helping out first district.
  • > helping<00:17:54.400> out milk processing capacity helping out milk processing capacity
  • programs, milk distribution programs.
  • <00:22:36.720> programs,<00:22:37.280> milk programs and milk programs, milk programs
  • and milk programs, milk distribution<00:22:38.159> programs.
Keywords: 1183, house
FL

Florida 2025 Regular Session

March 31, 2025 - 04:00 PM

Transcript Highlights:
  • The bill requires transparent and accurate labeling for meat, milk, poultry, and egg products.
  • I am a 6'5" vegetarian, powered almost exclusively by tofu and soy milk.
  • But apparently, Big Ag needs the state government to step in and make sure no one confuses an oat milk
  • latte for cow milk.
  • I think if you think almond is milk and equate that to cow milk, there are bigger issues here, but I
Summary: The Agriculture and Natural Resources Budget Subcommittee heard House Bill 651, described by sponsors as the Florida Farm Bill and a comprehensive FDACS agency package. The bill combined technical agency updates with several policy provisions, including changes to water additive rules, labeling requirements for meat, milk, poultry, and eggs, criminal penalties related to drones over agricultural land, mail theft, and retail fuel theft, updates to disaster recovery loan programs, an FFA scholarship, school infrastructure provisions, land purchase authority for converted agricultural land, and a Florida Farmer Financial Protection Act addressing ESG-related banking practices. A major portion of the discussion focused on the bill’s fluoride language, with supporters arguing for local choice and consumer consent and opponents warning about public health impacts and loss of local control. Members also questioned the C-4 registry language and whether it was duplicative or could affect organizations’ status. Public testimony was split. Opponents included Florida for All and the Florida Dental Association, with testimony arguing the bill protected agribusiness interests and that removing fluoride would harm dental health, especially for low-income families. Proponents included Heritage Action, Heartland Impact, and several individuals who argued the bill protected farmers from ESG-driven banking restrictions and supported informed consent and the removal of fluoride from public water. Several agricultural and advocacy groups also waved in support. During debate, some members praised portions of the bill such as housing for agricultural workers, drone penalties, and school-related provisions, but said they could not support the fluoride preemption or the C-4 language. Others supported the fluoride provision as a matter of individual and local choice. On final passage, the committee reported HB 651 favorably. The vote was 11-4, with Chair Esposito, Vice Chair Botana, Representatives Barnaby, Benaroch, Black, Mayfield, Mooney, Plasencia, Salzman, and Weinberger voting yes, and Representatives Alvarez, Bartleman, Henson, and Rainer voting no.