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MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Human Services Finance and Policy Committee 1/22/25
Human Services Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- Instead, we then launched this additional performance audit to look into it more deeply.
- I'm the deputy legislative auditor for the financial audit division.
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and corner um that we really audited and corner um that we really audited and - <00:24:53.520>
was and through the course of our audit was and through the course of our audit - They were very active in the audit, took it very serious, like I said.
Summary:
The committee approved the January 16, 2024 minutes without objection. Members then heard a presentation from the Office of the Legislative Auditor on its December 2024 performance audit of the Department of Human Services’ outstanding provider debt in Minnesota’s Medicaid fee-for-service program. Legislative Auditor Judy Randall said the audit was launched after the office noticed a large accounts receivable balance during the state financial statement audit and became concerned that DHS did not understand the extent of the overpayments, had poor data, and planned to forgo recovery of some recoverable balances.
Deputy Legislative Auditor Lori Lyson explained that DHS had reported $51.7 million in provider debt across about 2,500 providers in fiscal year 2023, with testing focused on long-term care facilities and the largest balances. The audit concluded DHS did not comply with legal requirements and lacked adequate internal controls. Findings included that DHS had not attempted to recover more than $40 million since collection notices were last sent in 2015 and 2019; that the department planned to write off some balances under $1,000 and some older than six years despite the auditors’ view that at least some of that debt may still be recoverable; that DHS overstated accounts receivable in its financial reporting because it had not updated its allowance calculation since 2019; and that MMIS data were insufficient to verify balances, with 20 of 59 sampled providers not reconciling and many dates inaccurate.
In response to member questions, the auditors said the overpayments appeared to be routine program adjustments rather than fraud, but the department could not explain many of them because detailed data are only retained for about three years. They also said they did not know which specific DHS leader approved not collecting the debt, and that responsibility for recovery appeared split between program and finance staff, with each pointing to the other. The auditors recommended DHS recover the debt where possible, improve internal controls, retain better documentation, ensure accurate financial reporting, and work with the legislature if needed to clarify recovery authority.
NH
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Ways and Means Committee OKs bill to upgrade county-level human services IT 5/14/26
Transcript Highlights:
- can operate these systems efficiently.
- can operate these systems efficiently.
- can operate these systems efficiently.
- can operate these systems efficiently.
- can operate these systems efficiently.
Summary:
The committee took up House File 4808, as amended by a DE3, a human services technology modernization bill. The author described the measure as a multi-year effort to modernize outdated county systems, improve data integration, and strengthen program integrity and fraud detection. The bill would create a Human Services Modernization Fund with a $50 million cap, establish an advisory council with strong county and tribal representation, and create a legislative commission to oversee the work and receive annual reports. It also includes a $10 million county-focused grant fund and a $15 million appropriation for the Office of Inspector General’s technology needs.
Testimony from the Association of Minnesota Counties and related county groups strongly supported the bill, emphasizing the need for immediate modernization, the importance of county and tribal involvement, and the value of legislative oversight. Members from both parties echoed support, saying the bill would help county workers spend less time on outdated systems and more time serving clients, and that better system integration could reduce errors and fraud issues. One member suggested that audits should be considered in the future in addition to reporting requirements.
The committee adopted the DE3 amendment without opposition. After discussion, the chair renewed the motion to refer House File 4808, as amended, to the general register, and the motion passed on a voice vote.
US
US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session
Hearings to examine the nomination of Steven Bradbury, of Virginia, to be Deputy Secretary of Transportation. Feb 20th, 2025 at 08:30 am
Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee
Transcript Highlights:
- Way more costly than any efficiency that somebody has suggested.
- It was seen as a very efficient solution.
- That's not an efficient way for an auto manufacturer to function.
- And I think we need to audit all of those and take a hard look.
- You can always get more efficient.
Keywords:
transportation, air traffic control, safety regulations, Boeing 737 MAX, Department of Transportation, infrastructure funding, public safety, legislative oversight
Summary:
The committee meeting addressed several pressing issues concerning transportation, particularly focusing on the need for improved safety standards and efficient management at the Department of Transportation. Specific discussions revolved around air traffic control, with members highlighting the urgency for a significant upgrade in systems and personnel. Notably, concerns were raised regarding past practices, especially the handling of safety regulations during the Boeing 737 MAX incidents. The committee expressed a clear intent to ensure rigorous safety oversight moving forward, emphasizing that the health and safety of the public must remain the top priority in all legislative and funding decisions.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Press Conference: Republican Members Propose New Legislation Addressing Fraud - 02/19/26
Transcript Highlights:
- in putting data in, in efficient in putting data in, in retrieving<00:16:09.360>
data, <00:16: - I've also been blessed to be a member of the Legislative Audit Commission, also the chair and the vice
- But as you're aware, in January, you guys remember there was an OA report, legislative audit report for
- report for the um Department of audit report for the um Department of Human<00:20:59.840>
Services - So then the 10% legislators would come in and then analyze that audit that was done at a 5% spending
Summary:
Senate Republican leaders held a press event to roll out a package of anti-fraud proposals focused on state welfare and human services programs. Mark Johnson opened by citing recent fraud scandals, including a shuttered housing program and reports of vulnerable adults being left without care while providers billed for full services, and said Republicans want top-down reform, stronger accountability, new technology, and tighter oversight of taxpayer dollars. Michael Kreun said Republicans support an independent Office of Inspector General and argued the Senate-passed bill should not be weakened in the House; he also said the Senate should restore its role in confirming agency commissioners, especially at DHS, which he described as central to the fraud problem.
Jordan Rasmusson outlined a plan to stop “blank checks” for DHS and DCYF services by requiring legislative audit review when a program exceeds budget by 5 percent and legislative approval for additional spending at 10 percent over budget. He also said DHS should adopt basic integrity tools such as electronic visit verification and client sign-off. Steve Drazkowski described two bills: a statewide “do-not-pay” list to block payments to ineligible people or entities, and an “I’m Not a Robot” proposal for Medicaid managed care that would require enrollee verification forms, with a 2 percent payment withhold used to encourage compliance and potentially fund county system upgrades. Mark Krueger said the state should improve technology and data use for eligibility determinations, citing other states’ rapid fraud-fighting systems, and proposed penalties for false reporting to the Legislative Auditor after a DHS audit found falsified site-visit records.
Steve Gruenhagen said his bill would require DHS and DCYF to resume annual fraud-prevention and oversight reports to the legislature, which he said had stopped after 2017 despite rising fraud cases. Michael Holmstrom proposed unannounced site visits for all DHS and DCYF providers before enrollment, reenrollment, and revalidation, funded through provider service fees, and cited a recent case involving a woman with autism who was billed for far more care than she received. In the Q&A, Kreun said House Democrats’ delete-everything amendment to the inspector general bill removed the law enforcement division and stripped the bill of its “teeth,” and he suggested the governor’s office may have been involved in efforts to replace the bill with a weaker coordination council model. No votes were taken in the press conference.
NM
New Mexico 2026 Regular Session
Senate Chamber Jan 26th, 2026 at 11:01 am
New Mexico Senate Floor Meeting
Transcript Highlights:
- The interest is trying to be efficient today wasn't efficient.
- Trying to be efficient today wasn't efficient.
- Senate Bill 145, introduced by Senator Muñoz, an act relating to auditing, providing for federal single
- audits, amending the Audit Act, restructuring audit requirements, amending local public body audit thresholds
- , amending definitions, updating terms, amending audit reporting requirements, amending the audit fund
KY
Kentucky 2025 Regular Session
Interim Joint Committee on Education (7-14-25)
Transcript Highlights:
- their 24 audit which was due last March. their 24 audit which was due last March.
- I would anticipate the '25 audit would probably take four months from completion of the '24 audit.
- They mentioned the audit.
- Audits are not current.
- <01:36:58.480>
They're Um audits are not current. They're Um audits are not current.
Summary:
The committee met with a full quorum and approved the prior minutes. Members offered introductions of guests and family members, then heard a presentation from University of Louisville President Thomas Jared Bradley, who was sworn in before testifying. He described his background and outlined U of L’s strategic priorities: student success, access and affordability, workforce development, community engagement, and research. Bradley highlighted enrollment growth, increases in first-generation and Pell-eligible students, strong transfer pathways with KCTCS, and support programs such as the Cardinal Commitment Grant, 15-to-Finish, Comeback Cards, tutoring, mentoring, and mental health services.
Bradley also emphasized U of L’s statewide and regional impact through UofL Health, rural outreach, the Bullitt County rural cancer education and research center, nursing expansion, and the Kentucky Manufacturing Extension Partnership program. He noted major institutional distinctions, including R1 status, a new Carnegie Opportunity College and University designation, and community-engaged classification. He said the university is one of only 10 public universities nationwide with all three designations and reported record enrollment, improved retention, and strong research expenditures. He also thanked lawmakers for significant capital and operating support, including funding for the simulation center, health science center, asset preservation, and the MEP program.
During questions, members praised the university’s public service role and asked about first-generation enrollment, retention, graduation rates, and post-graduation outcomes. Bradley said the university is working to improve completion by expanding academic support, early alerts, incentives for tutoring, and faculty/advisor mentoring, especially for first-generation and high-need students. He acknowledged that post-graduation employment data is difficult to collect but said the new Carnegie classification reflects positive outcomes. No votes were taken beyond approving the minutes, and no formal actions were taken on legislation in this portion of the meeting.
MN
Minnesota 2025 1st Special Session
House state government committee hears Gov. Walz's anti-fraud package 3/20/25
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Committee on Commerce and Consumer Protection - 01/23/25
Commerce and Consumer Protection
Transcript Highlights:
- They have a very robust audit process on the funding and do a detailed report to the legislature.
- combination together create efficiencies combination together create efficiencies in<00:23:58.080
- redundancies and look for efficiencies redundancies and look for efficiencies there<00:24:10.000
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of procedures and then we have audits of procedures and then we have audits - resources together you gain efficiencies resources together you gain efficiencies by<01:12:50.639
MN
Transcript Highlights:
- ruling request would in many cases also save the department time and resources currently spent on audits
- ruling request would in many cases also save the department time and resources currently spent on audits
- in the audits and other things<00:21:09.840>
that <00:21:10.080>they're <00:21:10.320>< - and court cases bandwidth on the audits and court cases and<00:21:21.919>
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of burden and increase the efficiency of burden and increase the efficiency
Keywords:
individual income tax, retirement contributions, tax corrections, annuity contracts, tax year attribution, tax credit, economic development, community investment, data disclosure, Minnesota regulations, tax increment financing, municipal authority, job creation, transferred increment, public hearing, nonresident employees, income tax exemption, Minnesota taxation, employment duties, tax withholding
NH
New Hampshire 2025 Regular Session
Joint Legislative Performance Audit Oversight Committee (10/03/2025)
Transcript Highlights:
- response and performance to the audit response and performance to the audit from<00:04:51.600>
<00:04:57.759>uh And uh that performance audit uh And uh that performance audit uh recognized - Uh to particular uh audit uh issues.
- I do have two audits to report on.
- I'm the director of audits for the LBA. And with me is Jay Henry, performance audit supervisor.
Summary:
The committee opened by approving the September 5, 2025 minutes, with one member asking that future minutes use honorifics such as Mr. or Ms. The agenda was then adjusted so Police Standards and Training could present first. Director John Skipa reported on the 2019 performance audit, saying 12 of 16 findings were fully resolved and the remaining items were substantially or partially resolved. He highlighted work on a job task analysis to update curriculum and develop a more realistic physical aptitude test, including possible replacement of the long-used Cooper test and a shift away from mandatory baton training toward electronic weapons training. He said stakeholder work groups would meet in October and November, with a goal of completing the work by the first quarter of 2026.
On the strategic planning and performance measurement finding, Skipa said the agency had relied on the 2019 audit and the LEAC report as guides while also implementing a digital records system. He acknowledged that a formal forward-looking strategic plan with the council had not yet been completed, but said he and the council chair wanted to do so, possibly through a retreat-style planning session. Members asked how many LEAC recommendations had been fully implemented; Skipa said he did not know the exact number but believed nearly all of the 22 items assigned to his agency were complete. On the administrative rules finding, he said a part-time former director had been brought back to help revise outdated rules, the council subcommittee had finished its work, and proposed changes would be sent to the full council, then to stakeholders and the public, with a public hearing expected and implementation targeted for 2026.
For the Corrections Advisory Committee finding, Skipa said the committee had been reconvened in 2020 and 2021 but had limited usefulness because the statutorily named members were mostly high-level administrators rather than line supervisors or newer corrections staff. He said some positions later went unfilled because of budget and staffing issues, and the committee had not been called back, but he was open to either informal adjustments or possible legislative changes to make the committee more useful. Committee members suggested that the statute may need to be amended to allow more appropriate designees or supervisors to participate. After Police Standards and Training concluded, the committee moved on to the Office of Professional Licensure and Certification, where the executive director said he would focus on the partially resolved items in the dental examiner audit and the National Path audit, noting that many changes were tied to recent statutory revisions.
US
US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session
Hearings to examine the nomination of Lieutenant General John D. Caine (Retired), to be general and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Defense. Apr 1st, 2025 at 08:30 am
Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Personnel
Transcript Highlights:
- We can find greater efficiencies in the budget through cost savings, we can reprogram from different
- Let's talk about efficiency.
- Do you agree then that we need to move in the direction of efficiency and that a lot of the top line
- I've been very focused on our defense budget efficiency. in auditability.
- You talked about... urgent action, reform to go faster with greater efficiency.
Keywords:
national security, military readiness, Kane nomination, defense budget, China threats, Russia, collaboration, modernization
Summary:
The meeting centered on the nomination of retired Lieutenant General Dan Kane for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, delving into various security concerns and the strategic environment facing the U.S. today. Testimonies highlighted the growing threats from adversaries such as China and Russia, with discussions around the necessity of maintaining and modernizing military capabilities to address these challenges. The need for agility in military operations and enhancing collaboration among various defense agencies was underscored. Further, concerns were raised regarding the defense budget and the importance of a strong national defense strategy were prevalent throughout the discussions. The committee members collectively emphasized the need for superior readiness and modernization to keep pace with global threats.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House State Government Finance and Policy Committee 3/20/25
State Government Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- consistency it creates efficiencies consistency it creates efficiencies across<00:07:49.080>
- Public Funding prevent negative audit Public Funding prevent negative audit findings<00:20:21.799
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Commission the legislative audit Commission the legislative audit Commission - look at those audit look at those audit hearings<00:35:11.960>
and <00:35:12.720>it's< - afterthought when you do the audits afterthought when you do the audits required<00:35:56.760>
Keywords:
opioids, substance use, addiction recovery, mental health, state cabinet, HF1310, Office of Cannabis Management, cannabis, marijuana, tribal consultation, government-to-government relationship, Minnesota tribes, Tribal governments, state government, consultation, rulemaking, Indian affairs, cannabis regulation, tribal sovereignty, state-tribal relations
NH
Transcript Highlights:
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workforce professional, and efficient workforce professional, and efficient - On the piece about removing the LBA audits, the LBA audit staff is not huge, and they're able to take
- Thank you. audits, the LBA audit staff is not huge audits, the LBA audit staff is not huge and<01:38:
- control costs, and support efficiency control costs, and support efficiency for<03:42:46.720>
- people can understand how to efficiently people can understand how to efficiently use<03:44:18.080
WI
Wisconsin 2026 1st Special Session
Assembly Committee on Government Operations, Accountability, and Transparency Apr 15th, 2026
Assembly Committee on Government Operations, Accountability, and Transparency
Transcript Highlights:
- It is also the subject of an audit currently being conducted by the Legislative Audit Bureau.
- If that's all right, there was an audit conducted by the Audit Bureau. It's still ongoing.
- I'm not part of the audit, so I don't know the scope of the audit entirely, but I'm saying we're here
- I'm not part of the audit, so I don't know the scope of the audit entirely, but I'm saying we're here
- The audit that was conducted by the Audit Bureau, was that audit specifically in relation to this event
FL
Florida 2026 Regular Session
Governmental Oversight and Accountability Dec 2nd, 2025
Governmental Oversight and Accountability
Transcript Highlights:
- Since entering office, Commissioner Simpson has strived to make significant improvements and efficiencies
- our whole department is consolidating under and optimize routes between inspections to improve efficiency
- Efficiency and safety by reducing drive time, limiting backtracking, and helping inspectors spend more
- It will reduce manual input errors, ensure audit-ready documentation, and increase administrative efficiency
- What is the expectation for the implementation of this improving the fleet efficiency?
Summary:
The Committee on Government Oversight and Accountability met with a quorum and heard several presentations on state fleet management. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services described its new fleet tracking rollout using AT&T/GeoTab devices, funded with $804,000, to monitor vehicle location, fuel use, idle time, driver behavior, and maintenance needs in real time. Members asked about whether the system was unique to FDACS and whether it duplicated reporting to the Department of Management Services; the agency said it was still implementing the system and would follow up on those questions.
The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission presented on its large and diverse fleet, including more than 4,000 assets, and explained that it uses both the statewide FleetWave system and the Samsara telematics platform. FWC said FleetWave is used for monthly reporting and replacement tracking, while Samsara provides real-time location and diagnostics, reducing administrative burden and improving accountability. The Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles and Florida Highway Patrol then outlined their fleet operations, emphasizing that most assets support law enforcement, that multiple manual systems create data inaccuracies, and that they are seeking a $750,000 increase to modernize fleet management with telematics, automated receipt processing, and a centralized database to improve safety and efficiency.
The committee also considered SPB 7010, which would authorize the Department of Financial Services and local governmental entities to allow post-tax Roth contributions in deferred compensation plans, in addition to existing pre-tax contributions. After a brief explanation, there was no debate or public testimony, and the committee voted to submit the bill as a committee bill. The roll call showed the measure was favorably reported, and the meeting then adjourned.
US
US Federal 2025-2026 Regular Session
Hearings to examine the nomination of Howard Lutnick, of New York, to be Secretary of Commerce. Jan 29th, 2025 at 09:15 am
Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee
Transcript Highlights:
- Well, an audit, U.S. audit, and one-to-one backed by U.S. Treasuries.
- But let's do it efficiently and swiftly.
- I expect the states to provide the most efficient way, the most cost-efficient and effective way to get
- I can commit to you that if it has been rigorously done and is deeply efficient, it is the most efficient
- Efficiently and effectively. That's not the question.
VA
Virginia 2026 1st Special Session
Commission on Unemployment Compensation Jul 9th, 2026
Transcript Highlights:
- We must make sure that government is more efficient and ensure that our programs are durable.
- You did mention the audit, which I brought a copy up because I had a whole slew of questions for that
- that I'll defer that, and hopefully at our next meeting there are a bunch of recommendations in the audit
- But the audit was... ...where your progress is on those. But the audit was really informative too.
- VEC is really rocking a lot of efficiencies and carrying on, and I would just hope that we could don't
Summary:
The Commission on Unemployment Compensation met, established a quorum, and elected Delegate Destiny LeVere Bolling as chair and Senator Mike Jones as vice chair. The commission also adopted its electronic meeting policy and heard introductions from new members, staff, and officials from the Secretary of Labor’s office and the Virginia Employment Commission (VEC). Secretary Jessica Lumen outlined the administration’s workforce and labor priorities, including supporting workers, employers, and program transparency, while members raised concerns about business climate, job losses, labor participation, and the implementation of paid family and medical leave.
Staff provided legislative updates on recent unemployment-related bills. These included increases to the weekly unemployment benefit amount enacted in 2025 and 2026, a bill on labor dispute disqualification that changed how lockouts are treated for benefit eligibility, and a budget item providing $75,000 for actuarial support to the commission. The commission also discussed the 2025 work group on annual adjustments to weekly benefit amounts; staff reported that the work group did not complete its charge, and members agreed to revisit whether to reconstitute it at a future meeting. Delegate Martinez expressed support for continuing the work, and the chair said the issue would be taken up at the next meeting.
Deputy Commissioner Joanna Darkus gave a detailed presentation on Virginia’s unemployment insurance system, including current claims data, eligibility rules, employer tax structure, benefit levels, trust fund solvency, fraud prevention, and customer service operations. She reported that Virginia’s unemployment rate remains low, weekly claims are modest, the current weekly benefit range is $160 to $478, and the trust fund balance factor is projected at 50.9 percent, near the threshold for additional employer charges. Members asked about the taxable wage base, trust fund solvency, the effect of benefit increases, fraud controls, and the planned paid family and medical leave program. VEC said it is implementing that program through regulations, staffing, IT procurement, public listening sessions, and consultation with other states. A public commenter from the Virginia Poverty Law Center urged the commission to strengthen state investment in unemployment insurance and warned that federal support is uncertain. The commission then adjourned without taking further action.
VA
Virginia 2026 Regular Session
Commission on Unemployment Compensation Jul 9th, 2026
Transcript Highlights:
- We must make sure that government is more efficient and ensure that our programs are durable.
- You did mention the audit, which I brought a copy up because I had a whole slew of questions for that
- that I'll defer that, and hopefully at our next meeting there are a bunch of recommendations in the audit
- But the audit was... ...where your progress is on those. But the audit was really informative too.
- VEC is really rocking a lot of efficiencies and carrying on, and I would just hope that we could not
ND
North Dakota 2026 1st Special Session
Budget Section Regulatory Division Jun 24th, 2026 at 01:00 pm
Transcript Highlights:
- It will provide us with automation efficiencies and also position us well for more comprehensive audits
- So we are also getting ready for our own audits.
- Our own audits will be more comprehensive as opposed to just a component of a...
- Our own audits will be more comprehensive as opposed to just a component of a DMR audit.
- And so really, really good ratios overall in terms of efficiency of the bank.
Summary:
The committee received a compliance and status update on Industrial Commission programs and the Bank of North Dakota. Staff reviewed appropriations and spending for several Industrial Commission funds and grant programs, including lignite research, oil and gas research, clean sustainable energy, grid resiliency, salt cavern analysis, and the new NDSU research and technology park grant. Members discussed the timing of reimbursements, uncommitted balances, and the structure of the pipeline capacity and enhanced oil recovery funding. The Industrial Commission also reported on its administrative budget, grant management system project, and recent leadership transitions across several agencies.
Karen Tyler of the Industrial Commission described active grant rounds and the status of major projects. She said the Clean Sustainable Energy Authority approved three projects in its sixth round, with remaining uncommitted cash and loan capacity still available, though no new funding was appropriated this session. She also said the Oil and Gas Research Council approved six enhanced oil recovery projects and expects additional funding after a federal Department of Energy award replaces one project’s state funding. For grid resiliency grants, she said some projects have been funded, some commitments were returned or reallocated, and some DOE funds remain pending. She also updated the committee on the salt cavern business case study, which replaced an earlier larger development proposal, and on the NDSU research park grant, where the nonmatching portion was paid and the matching portion has moved slowly because the match must be in cash.
Ron Ness then gave an extended presentation on enhanced oil recovery and North Dakota oil and gas trends. He said production remains steady, but future growth depends on infrastructure, especially gas takeaway and projects like the Bakken East pipeline. He argued that enhanced oil recovery using CO2, natural gas, surfactants, and other methods could extend Bakken production for decades, but that the state needs more CO2 supply, better storage, and updated tax and regulatory incentives. Members asked about lateral lengths, CO2 availability, pipeline impacts, and the role of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and Ness emphasized that the projects are intended to share technical learning across operators and attract follow-on investment.
The Bank of North Dakota then presented its compliance report and strategic update. President Don Morgan said the bank’s mission remains to support North Dakota agriculture, commerce, and industry while cooperating with the state’s financial sector. He reviewed the bank’s main business lines: participation lending with community institutions, student loans, disaster lending, mission-based programs, and a new fintech-focused effort. Morgan said deposits are flattening, so the bank is managing balance sheet growth carefully, while still reporting improved net income and strong efficiency. He also introduced Rough Rider Coin as a bank-to-bank payment rail, not a public cryptocurrency, intended to speed and modernize payments within North Dakota’s banking and credit union system. Committee members asked about student loan eligibility, disaster program use, and how credit lines and liquidity would be affected if deposits shrink.