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OK

Oklahoma 2026 Regular Session

Oklahoma Education Commission Apr 2nd, 2026

Oklahoma Education Commission

Transcript Highlights:
  • And I should also say that this isn't an open registration conference.
  • I think if we were opening this up to everybody, that changes the trajectory.
  • It's not open registration like a normal conference. This is more of a work study almost.
  • And so that ended up at 186, which left us 14 open slots for you to kind of play with.
  • And it was literally just a placeholder so that we could open up the newsletter.
Summary: The meeting focused heavily on planning the upcoming AI Symposium and on fundraising strategy. Nellie Sanders, former Secretary of Education, introduced herself and described her background in education, workforce development, and fundraising, saying she would help in a volunteer capacity. The committee discussed the symposium theme, “The ground has moved, building Oklahoma’s AI-ready future,” and confirmed the event dates at the Hard Rock Hotel in Tulsa from June 8 to June 10. They also reviewed the event’s structure, including keynote and speaker slots, vendor participation, and the need to finalize the agenda and printed materials soon. A major portion of the discussion centered on sponsorship levels and the need to expand fundraising beyond the original food-cost-based tiers. Members debated whether the current $6,000, $15,000, and $25,000 levels were too low and proposed adding larger sponsorship tiers, including $50,000 and $100,000 event sponsor options. Based on projected costs of roughly $130,000 to $150,000 and a goal of creating reserve funds for future AI work, the group ultimately discussed aiming for a $300,000 budget and increasing attendance from 200 to as many as 400 participants if funding allows. They also talked about using the symposium to create long-term value for sponsors by offering visibility, networking, and follow-up opportunities. The committee reviewed participant categories and numbers, including innovation grant recipients, libraries, higher education, CareerTech, K-12, corrections, tribal representatives, and commission members. They emphasized that attendees must complete a microcredential and leave with actionable deliverables, such as projects, cohort meetings, and shared AI practices they can replicate at their institutions. Several members stressed the importance of broader K-12 participation, especially for rural districts, and suggested adding administrator and teacher tracks if attendance grows. The group also discussed outreach to Google, tribal partners, and other vendors, and set a planning meeting for Monday at 5 p.m., with a follow-up full committee meeting scheduled for the 30th at 1 p.m. The meeting also included an update on legislation, especially proposed changes to bill 1782. The revised bill would create an AI-related infrastructure without state appropriations, allow funds from private and federal sources, add FERPA, accessibility, and transparency protections, and accelerate council activation. Members discussed using the bill to support future AI initiatives and possibly the symposium, though they noted that any such use would need to be written into the legislation. The meeting ended with updates on the commission’s podcast, “AI Unpacked: The Oklahoma Edition,” and a brief discussion of the commission’s unique cross-sector makeup and its role in representing learners across Oklahoma.
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Assembly Education Committee Mar 18th, 2026

Education

Transcript Highlights:
  • It is out, and we'll keep the roll open for absent votes. Thank you, Madam Chair.
  • It is out, and we will hold the roll open for add-on votes. Thank you.
  • We will hold the roll open for add-on votes. Your bill has six votes. It is out.
  • We will hold the roll open for add-on votes. Next, we will hear file item four.
  • We are their primary protectors, advocates, and teachers.
Committee: House Education
Keywords: 988, house, all
WA

Washington 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Civil Rights & Judiciary Feb 18th, 2026

Transcript Highlights:
  • The staff in the Senate is great, but I did open the bill analysis this morning and thought, oh, it's
  • We're going to suspend the hearing on 5925 and open the hearing on 602.
  • It was very eye-opening.
  • It was very eye-opening.
  • And we will go ahead and open Senate Bill 5720, Uniform Debt Default Act. Good morning, E.D.
Summary: The committee heard several bills, with the most extensive discussion focused on civil investigative demands for the Attorney General (ESSB 5925), automated license plate readers (ESSB 6002/6702), medical debt interest limits (ESSB 5993), default judgments in consumer debt cases (SSB 5720), adult guardianship technical changes (ESSB 5837), and Court of Appeals bailiff authority (SB 6011). Sponsors and agency staff generally framed the bills as targeted tools or clarifications, while opponents raised concerns about privacy, due process, overreach, and unintended consequences. The AG’s office supported 5925 as a way to investigate civil rights, wage theft, and related laws more efficiently; opponents argued it gave too much pre-suit power and lacked sufficient judicial safeguards. The Court of Appeals bailiff bill was presented as a near-identical extension of authority already given to Supreme Court bailiffs, with no major controversy beyond questions about training. The ALPR bill drew the sharpest policy split. Supporters, including the prime sponsor and civil rights advocates, argued Washington lacks meaningful regulation of license plate readers and needs limits on retention, sharing, and vendor access to protect privacy and prevent misuse. Law enforcement, cities, and some parking-related users said the bill was necessary but too restrictive or technically flawed, warning it could effectively shut down the technology or prevent use in serious cases; they asked for broader crime coverage, clearer definitions, and longer retention. Privacy and civil liberties groups supported regulation but urged stronger protections, especially shorter retention periods and tighter limits on third-party access. On medical debt, the sponsor and supporters argued that capping interest at 1% would reduce financial harm to patients, especially those facing serious illness, and would still allow administrative costs to be covered. They cited bankruptcy risk, chronic illness, and the burden on families, while noting the bill was narrowed from an earlier version and made prospective. Hospitals, collectors, dentists, and physician groups opposed the bill, saying it would not solve broader affordability problems, could reduce repayment incentives, and might push providers toward cash-only models or credit cards, especially harming small and rural practices. The committee also heard support for the consumer debt default judgment bill as a negotiated compromise that improves notice and preserves existing debt-buyer protections, and for the guardianship bill as a technical cleanup of adult guardianship and supported decision-making provisions. No votes or final actions were taken in the hearing excerpts provided.
NM

New Mexico 2026 Regular Session

House - Government, Elections And Indian Affairs Jan 28th, 2026 at 08:36 am

House Government, Elections & Indian Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • The resident issue, but you know, I would be very open to that. That's really my concern.
  • But I'm also open to other percentages... ...percentages.
  • I just want to be open to working together and collaborating, for sure. Thank you.
  • It was just an opening statement. I know, but yeah, still, it's the same. No.
  • It was just an opening statement. I know, but yeah, still, it's the same. No.
Bills: HB70 , HB93 , HB95 , HB139 , HB140 , HJR4
TX

Texas 89th 2nd C.S.

Human Services Mar 11th, 2025

Human Services

Transcript Highlights:
  • Um, but if the payments are coming in, that begins immediately upon us opening the case with DFPS and
  • And then I I had an open CPS case and then once that case was closed, I became informal.
  • And, um, that's something I want to be an open process for everyone to know about. Thank you.
  • Then we should, but my door is always open. I'm always on the floor with you all.
  • Do you, or if you have suggestions, I am open to that.
Bills: HB 26 , HB 140 , HB 141 , HB 142 , HB 215
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Conference Committee on HF2431 5/8/25

Transcript Highlights:
  • So I wondered if you would be open to that being a broader working group.
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  • Thank you. ...the chancellor that let's have an open discussion about scenarios, and they brought in
Keywords: 919, house, all
Summary: The Higher Education Finance and Policy Conference Committee met publicly to compare House and Senate positions on the higher education budget, with the chairs emphasizing transparency and alternating gavel control. Nonpartisan fiscal staff walked through a spreadsheet of differences across the Office of Higher Education and Minnesota State, including major items such as state grants, childcare grants, work study, tribal college grants, emergency assistance grants, hunger-free campus grants, student parent support, direct admissions, paramedic scholarships, and several medical residency and fellowship programs. The House and Senate also differed on administrative funding, campus sexual assault reporting, and a House FY25 cancellation that would be carried forward. Members discussed several of the larger policy and funding choices. The Senate explained its increase for Minitex as support for operating costs and statewide access to information. The House explained its cuts to student parent support and other items as necessary to work within a zero target and to prioritize direct aid to students, while the Senate said it focused on direct appropriations and access-related programs. On hunger-free campus grants and emergency assistance grants, the Senate said it was changing the distribution method and direct appropriations rather than reducing the overall money, while the House noted differences in whether nonprofit institutions remained included. The committee also reviewed Senate-only additions and reductions in Minnesota State, including free course materials, Lake Superior College remediation, and changes to the Kids on Campus appropriation. A representative from Lake Superior College testified that the PAS remediation funding would help address contamination issues at an emergency training site near Lake Superior and that the money was shifted from the Kids on Campus initiative. No final conference agreement or vote was taken in the portion of the meeting provided; the committee continued discussing differences and testimony.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Housing Finance and Policy Committee 3/24/26

Housing Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • It has been ever since then the primary tool for getting affordable housing built in the U.S., with over
  • It has been ever since then the primary tool<00:03:57.040><c> for</c><00:03:57.519><c> getting</c><00
  • Energy choice means resiliency, a reliable supply, and a backup when the primary system fails.
  • </c><00:16:15.279><c> Propane</c><00:16:15.759><c> provides</c> primary system fails.
  • Propane provides primary system fails.
Bills: HF4234 , HF484 , HF483 , HF2614
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Local Government Committee Jun 23rd, 2026

Local Government

Transcript Highlights:
  • Jacob Brint with the California Retailers Association, primary witness and support. I'm sorry.
  • continue to be a growing challenge for businesses across the state, including retailers trying to open
  • It's great to hear such openness and such a positive way of saying, we take these steps.
Keywords: 987, senate, all
MA

Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session

Joint Committee on Education Jun 21st, 2026 at 01:00 pm

Joint Committee on Education

Transcript Highlights:
  • In that testimony, whether it's your only testimony, primary testimony, or supplemental testimony, is
  • If we can open back up school choice, we'd be able to sustain healthy class sizes and also bring in a
  • This year, we opened a small number of school choice seats, all of which were claimed by interested families
Keywords: 995, all
Summary: The Joint Committee on Education held a hearing on two late-file bills: H. 4867, concerning school choice, and H. 4927, concerning access to applied behavior analysis (ABA). For H. 4867, testimony focused on a DESE interpretation of M.G.L. c. 76, §12B(k) that would require small elementary-only districts with school choice students to pay secondary tuition when those students continue into high school. Superintendents, school committee members, parents, teachers, and a representative argued this creates large fiscal shortfalls for rural districts such as Hancock, Warwick, Richmond, and Worthington, which do not operate high schools and already rely on tuition agreements for their own resident students. Witnesses said the current interpretation has led some districts to stop accepting school choice students, reducing class sizes and limiting educational opportunities; they urged an exemption or amendment so these districts could continue school choice without assuming high school tuition obligations for nonresident students. Committee members asked about the number of affected districts, how the arrangement worked before 2023, and whether alternative statutory language might solve the issue more broadly. Representative Barrett described the bill as a simple fix to an unenforced provision that had only recently been raised by DESE, and the hearing later included testimony from both district officials and families supporting the bill. The committee closed testimony on H. 4867 and H. 4927 and then adjourned. H. 4927 drew testimony from educators, an ABA provider, and a parent of a child with autism in support of protecting in-school ABA access. Witnesses said the bill would clarify that qualified ABA providers, including BCBAs and RBTs under supervision, may deliver services in schools while allowing districts to maintain neutral safety and operational rules. They argued that inconsistent access to ABA can undermine districts’ obligations under IDEA, including free appropriate public education and placement in the least restrictive environment, and that school-based ABA can reduce removals from class, improve student progress, and support families. A parent testified that her young son needs ABA to function in school and that promised supports had been delayed or not delivered, while another witness said the bill would help ensure accountability and consistent services for students with autism.
WI

Wisconsin 2026 1st Special Session

Joint Committee on Finance May 12th, 2026

Joint Committee on Finance

Transcript Highlights:
  • categorical aid increase would also have an effect on the Choice, Charter, Special Needs Scholarship, and Open
  • Open Enrollment Program indexing.
  • Primary ongoing amounts are the $230 million for special ed in the second year, the $12 million on Choice
Keywords: 970, all
MO

Missouri 2026 Regular Session

Insurance Apr 13th, 2026 at 01:30 pm

Insurance

Transcript Highlights:
  • It opened up the eyes of the other adjuster for whatever reason. But that being said... ...there.
  • It opened up the eyes of the other adjuster for whatever reason.
  • Our two primary concerns are, one, meeting some of these requirements is going to add an administrative
Committee: House Insurance
Keywords: 959, house, all
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Floor Session Mar 19th, 2026

California Senate Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • is time to gather with loved ones, to reflect, to give thanks, and to welcome a new beginning with open
  • Open hearts. Nowruz carries the beauty of hope, family, tradition, and resilience.
  • And it's because he said to me, you haven't learned the primary example.
Keywords: 987, senate, all
MO

Missouri 2026 Regular Session

Elections Mar 10th, 2026 at 08:00 am

Elections

Transcript Highlights:
  • With that, I'll open myself up to any questions about House Bill 2124. Thank you, Mr.
  • provisions, that omnibus elections bill, one of the provisions of that, you know, that presidential primary
  • Gentlemen, I'd be open to that consideration if there's other industries that feel like they need that
Committee: House Elections
Keywords: 959, house, all
ID

Idaho 2026 Regular Session

Agenda Mar 4th, 2026

Education

Transcript Highlights:
  • And my primary reservation is the fundamental premise.
  • I know the language of the bill would potentially open up that some of these funds could be used for
  • I know the language of the bill would potentially open up that some of these funds could be used for
Committee: House Education
Summary: The House Education Committee first considered RS 33118, which would repeal Idaho Digital Learning Academy’s current statutory framework. Rep. Elaine Price argued the program had expanded beyond its original rural purpose, had weak oversight, and was costly, while several members objected that IDLA serves both rural and urban students and provides a high-quality, cost-effective option. After discussion, the motion to introduce the RS failed on a tie vote. The committee then heard RS 33604, a more limited proposal from Rep. Doug Pickett to preserve IDLA for rural districts while changing its board, adding audits and transparency, limiting virtual charter participation, and reducing “double dipping.” Supporters called it a middle-ground approach; opponents said it still cut funding too sharply and did not fully account for the program’s value. The committee voted to introduce the RS, with the motion passing on a narrow roll-call vote. Finally, the committee took up House Bill 794, which would require student walkouts or absences for political protest to be treated as unexcused absences and reported to state officials. The sponsor said the bill was meant to protect instructional time and clarify attendance rules, while opponents argued it would chill student speech, burden schools, and conflict with parental rights and constitutional protections. Testimony was split between supporters who viewed the bill as a reasonable attendance rule and opponents, including students, parents, school board representatives, and advocacy groups, who defended walkouts as civic engagement. After debate, the motion to send the bill to the floor with a due pass recommendation failed on a tie vote.
ID

Idaho 2026 Regular Session

Agenda Feb 13th, 2026

State Affairs

Transcript Highlights:
  • for either in the state or at the local level, is that you have to have actually resided in your primary
  • You know, they have pretty nice conferences, and the travel, I think the travel will be eye-opening when
  • You know, they have pretty nice conferences, and the travel, I think the travel will be eye-opening when
Committee: House State Affairs
Keywords: 989, all
NM

New Mexico 2026 Regular Session

Senate - Finance Feb 11th, 2026 at 04:38 pm

Senate Finance

Transcript Highlights:
  • It sounds to me like they haven't even opened the letter and begun the investigation.
  • I think this is because this is a legal matter, and I recognize we're not subject to the Open Meetings
  • Well, this one's funding the primary election, and then there was another $15 million for the Secretary
Bills: SB152 , SB145 , SB190 , HB247
NM
Transcript Highlights:
  • For everything we do with road building, there has to be a source of, you know, keeping the offices open
  • Signed and revenues dropping being what they are, that is my primary concern, not that I'm opposed to
  • We have one project open that's 40,800, 823, and that's our Rental Pass reconstruction.
Keywords: 996, all
Summary: The committee heard a District 5 New Mexico Department of Transportation presentation from Rhonda Lopez, who reviewed the district’s FY26 budget, staffing vacancies, and the status of special appropriations from 2020 through 2025. She described numerous completed and ongoing projects across the district, including roadway overlays, bridge work, intersection improvements, ADA upgrades, and maintenance projects, and also summarized STIP, TPF, LGRF, and equipment needs. Members asked about a guardrail issue near U.S. 64 in Hogback, the 5% local match for TPF projects, and the status of the New Mexico 371/U.S. 36 intersection funding agreement with the Navajo Nation; DOT said the match is secured or waived where applicable and that the Navajo agreement is nearly finalized. The committee then heard House Bill 270, which would amend the Public Works Apprentice Training Act to require contributions to apprenticeship and training programs for certain public works contracts, including highway-related work, while creating an exception where no approved apprenticeship program exists for a trade classification. The sponsor said the bill was intended to strengthen workforce development and support apprenticeship training. Contractors and asphalt industry representatives opposed the bill, arguing it would raise road project costs and duplicate existing training contributions. A motion to table failed on a tie, and a later motion to pass also failed on a tie, leaving the bill in committee. Next, the committee heard House Bill 322, which would create a transportation trust fund and transportation program fund, dedicate additional revenue sources including a portion of electricity GRT and motor vehicle excise tax, and begin annual distributions for federal matching funds in 2029. The sponsor and supporters said the bill would help address a multi-billion-dollar road funding gap, improve maintenance, and provide a stable source for matching federal dollars. Some members raised concerns about the electricity tax component, its effect on utility bills, and overlap with recently enacted transportation financing measures; others supported the concept but questioned timing and funding priorities. A motion on the bill resulted in a tie and failed, leaving the bill in committee. The meeting concluded with a District 4 NMDOT legislative presentation. The district outlined its geography, budget, staffing vacancy rate, completed special appropriations, active construction and maintenance projects, wildfire-related recovery work, local government funding allocations, and equipment replacement needs. Members asked about school district uses of local funding and the impact of aging equipment and weather on maintenance costs. The presentation ended without any formal action on District 4 items, and the committee adjourned.
MA

Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session

Joint Committee on Education Feb 10th, 2026

Joint Committee on Education

Transcript Highlights:
  • That testimony, whether it's your only testimony, primary testimony, or supplemental testimony, is given
  • If we can open back up school choice, we'd be able to sustain healthy class sizes and also bring in a
  • This year, we opened a small number of school choice seats, all of which were claimed by interested families
Summary: The Joint Committee on Education held a hearing on two late-file bills. H. 4867, relative to school choice, drew testimony from leaders, parents, and educators in Hancock, Warwick, Richmond, and Worthington, who said DESE’s interpretation of Chapter 76, Section 12B(k) requires small districts without high schools to pay secondary tuition for nonresident school choice students after they leave the elementary grades. Witnesses said the resulting gap between the $5,000 school choice payment and high school tuition of roughly $13,000 to $18,000 per student has forced some districts to stop accepting school choice students, hurting class sizes, budgets, and rural families’ access to local schools. Committee members questioned how the current rule works, whether students have home high schools to return to, and whether a broader statutory fix could address all districts without secondary programs; testimony indicated the affected districts are a small number of rural communities, with some others having found alternative arrangements. Representative Barrett described the bill as a general solution to an issue that had gone unenforced for years, and the hearing ended with testimony closed on the bill. The committee also heard H. 4927, relative to protecting access to applied behavior analysis (ABA). Educators and ABA providers testified that the bill would clarify that qualified ABA providers, including BCBAs and RBTs, may deliver services in schools while preserving school safety and operational rules. They argued that better access to ABA would help students with autism make progress on IEP goals, remain in the least restrictive environment, and reduce conflicts between families and districts. A parent described repeated delays in getting promised supports for her young son and said the bill would help ensure follow-through and accountability. The committee then closed testimony on H. 4927 and adjourned after a motion and second.
NM
Transcript Highlights:
  • There has to be a source of, you know, keeping the offices open and running, and electricity is basic
  • have a bonding bill that was approved, signed, and revenue dropping being what they are, that is my primary
  • Laws of 2020, Special Appropriation, Section 9: we have one project open, that's 4,100, 823, and that's
Summary: The committee first received a detailed New Mexico DOT District 5 presentation from Rhonda Lopez. She reviewed District 5’s budget, staffing vacancies, completed and ongoing special appropriations from 2020 through 2025, active construction projects, maintenance work, STIP and local government funding, and equipment needs. Members asked about a guardrail issue near U.S. 64, the status of the 5% local match for Transportation Project Fund projects, and the New Mexico 371/Navajo Route 36 intersection; DOT said the match agreements were in place or waived where eligible, and that the Navajo Nation funding agreement was nearly finalized. The chair then moved the agenda to bills before finishing the remaining presentations later. House Bill 270, dealing with contributions to apprenticeship and training programs on public works projects, was presented by Rep. Borrego as a follow-up to the 2024 workforce development and apprenticeship trust fund law. The bill would remove an exclusion for street, highway, bridge, road, utility, and maintenance contracts and require contributions unless a trade classification has no approved apprenticeship program. Associated Contractors and the Asphalt Pavement Association opposed the bill, arguing it would raise road project costs and duplicate existing training programs. Members raised concerns about notice, added costs, and whether contractors with existing programs would be paying twice. A motion to table failed on a tie vote, and a later motion to pass also failed on a tie vote, leaving the bill in committee and available for reconsideration. Ranking Member Brown then presented House Bill 322, which would create a transportation trust fund and transportation program fund, with a planned distribution beginning in 2029, including a 5% use for federal matching funds. The bill would also dedicate a portion of the gross receipts tax on electricity and redirect part of the motor vehicle excise tax to grow the fund. Associated Contractors and the Asphalt Pavement Association supported the concept, saying it would help sustain DOT and address the state’s road maintenance gap. Members questioned the electricity tax component, its effect on ratepayers and data centers, the interaction with SB 2 and bond financing, and how projects would be prioritized. A motion to pass failed on a tie vote, and the ranking member suggested the bill could be reconsidered with an amendment removing the electricity portion. The committee then heard a District 4 DOT presentation from assistant district engineer Cruz Sudoste, covering the district’s geography, budget, staffing, completed and active projects, STIP and local government programs, and equipment replacement needs. Members asked about school district uses of transportation project funds and the impact of aging equipment on repair costs. The presentation concluded without any vote or other action on the district report.
AZ

Arizona 2026 Regular Session

02/02/2026 - House Land, Agriculture & Rural Affairs

House Land, Agriculture & Rural Affairs Committee of Reference

Transcript Highlights:
  • SHPO doesn't charge fees for most of their services because its primary responsibilities are defined
  • I am open for questions.
  • I am open for questions. Mr. Puzzowski. Okay, Tom. I'll just stay with Tom. Okay.
Summary: The Land, Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee heard several measures focused largely on foreign land ownership, historic preservation administration, and limits on the Attorney General’s nuisance-enforcement authority. HCM 2005, which urges Congress to study restrictions on foreign governments from communist or authoritarian countries owning property, drew debate over a proposed amendment to add fascist governments; that amendment failed, and the memorial then received a do pass recommendation. HB 2171, a related bill prohibiting sales or leases of Arizona real property to persons acting for China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea and assigning enforcement duties to state and county agencies, also passed after members debated whether it duplicated existing law and raised constitutional concerns. HB 2790, which would change reporting and administrative structure for the State Historic Preservation Office and appropriate $1 million, received testimony from Arizona State Parks and Trails and the Arizona Preservation Foundation; supporters said it would improve autonomy and efficiency, while others warned about internal inconsistencies and federal funding implications. It was approved on a 5-3 vote. The committee then considered three bills aimed at curbing the Attorney General’s public nuisance actions. HB 2168 would require county board of supervisors consent before the AG could bring a nuisance case in Superior Court; supporters said it would add local control and protect rural industries, while opponents argued it would hinder statewide enforcement and protect large foreign corporations. HB 2169 would make the AG liable for defamation per se if a nuisance action lacks a reasonable basis and is publicized; HB 2167 went further, creating damages, attorney-fee, lost-profit, and treble-damages liability payable from the AG’s operating fund. In testimony, supporters said the bills were needed to check what they described as aggressive or unfair nuisance litigation against rural businesses and water users, while opponents said the measures would chill legitimate enforcement and accountability. All three bills passed on 5-3 votes.