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• members to determine<00:49:15.520> whether<00:49:15.800> there's<00:49:16.040> alternate
• Or, um, kind of an alternative is Ann sits in on a lot of meetings with other jurisdictions where they
• <01:10:01.240> kind<01:10:01.400> of<01:10:01.480> an<01:10:01.560> alternative
• <01:10:02.200> is<01:10:02.960> Ann Or, um, kind of an alternative is Ann Or, um, kind
• of an alternative is Ann sits<01:10:03.520> in<01:10:03.640> on<01:10:03.760> a

Keywords: 1189, house, all

Summary: The committee first handled routine business, approving the minutes and consent calendar, then moved to the regular calendar of administrative rules. Department of Energy rule 25-220 was postponed until June at the sponsor’s request so stakeholders would have more time to review revised language. Several Department of Health and Human Services Medicaid-related rules were then considered, including 25-240, 25-265, and 26-33, each of which drew staff comments mainly about expired rule provisions and the agencies’ reliance on federal law, the Medicaid state plan, or other manuals. The committee approved those rules after brief questions, with the agencies stating they were already operating under the relevant federal or state-plan authority and, in one case, that rulemaking was underway to update an expired citation. The most extended discussion was on HHS Bureau of Aging rule 25-304, which had an amended conditional approval request. Staff explained the amendments clarified how case management agencies accept or deny cases, how telehealth participation is evaluated, and that the department sets the timing for accepting or denying cases under its existing authority. Staff also noted a separate issue about whether reimbursement rates must be in rule, but said the agency had long interpreted the statute to allow its approach and that any change would likely require legislation rather than committee objection. A provider representative testified against parts of the rule, arguing the case management agencies should not be required to accept referrals before contacting the participant, that telehealth decisions for other providers should remain with those providers, and that the quality-management section was duplicative and burdensome. Committee members questioned whether the telehealth language merely allowed case managers to say a service fit the client’s plan or instead gave them authority over another provider’s delivery method. The agency responded that case managers may determine what services an individual needs, but should not control how another licensed provider delivers those services. The discussion continued with no final action shown in the excerpt.

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• Second, the court must determine that the adult's needs can't be met with less restrictive alternatives
• Less restrictive alternatives refer to supports that allow the adult to retain personal autonomy and
• judicial officers to determine whether the adult is incapacitated and whether less restrictive alternatives
• incapacitated and whether<00:20:22.720> less<00:20:23.200> restrictive<00:20:23.840> alternatives
• <00:20:24.400> to whether less restrictive alternatives to whether less restrictive alternatives

Bills: HF3901, HF962, HF4428, HF4478, HF1775

Keywords: foster care, ombudsperson, investigative powers, children's rights, complaint process, HF4428, Medical Assistance, Medicaid, community engagement, work requirement, work mandate, employment requirement, community service, 80 hours, half-time student, income threshold, federal minimum wage, eligibility verification, benefit suspension, benefit termination

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• So, um, this bill basically would create an alternative approval pathway for prospective renters who
• So, um, this bill basically would create an alternative approval pathway for prospective renters who
• Wine, cider, seltzer, kombucha, those are all excellent gluten-free alternatives um that are made by
• <01:39:14.080> um<01:39:14.320> that<01:39:14.639> are gluten-free alternatives
• um that are gluten-free alternatives um that are made<01:39:15.119> by<01:39:15.360> producers

Keywords: 1191, senate, all

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• and regulations or ignore restrictions, but simply to provide an opportunity for us to work on alternative
• They make sure we look at impacts, alternatives, involve community and public input, and look at long-term
• They make sure we look at impacts, alternatives, involve community and public input, and look at long-term
• I fought them to the point where I had to find an alternative for the state, which resulted in a smaller
• I fought them to the point where I had to find an alternative for the state, which resulted in a smaller

Bills: SB3253, SB2401, SB3169, SB17, SB3014, SB3032, SB1432, SB2002, SB2972, SB3247

Keywords: conservation, endangered species, wildlife preservation, native birds, biodiversity, sanctuary, nonprofit, DLNR, agricultural district, land use, chapter 195D, chapter 205, chapter 42F, state funding, public purpose, habitat restoration, predator-free sanctuary, ecosystem restoration, Zealandia, wildlife refuge

Summary: The Committee on Water and Land heard testimony on SB 5253 SD2 relating to conservation and SB 2401 relating to regional shoreline mitigation district, with the chair emphasizing short testimony limits and the need to finish before session. On SB 5253, DLNR said it stood on its written testimony and answered questions about the bill’s proposed nonprofit endangered species sanctuary. Members asked whether existing entities or agreements, such as land trusts, private landowners, and DLNR safe harbor agreements, could accomplish similar conservation goals without creating a new entity. DLNR said similar work already exists, but it was not aware of a comparable sanctuary model in the state. A member also questioned language suggesting for-profit businesses in the sanctuary, and DLNR said the intent appeared to be sales of outreach or similar materials, though it agreed that such activities could be handled by a nonprofit. The bulk of the hearing focused on SB 2401, which would create a regional shoreline adaptation/mitigation framework. The Department of the Attorney General said it had concerns about inconsistent use of the terms “mitigation” and “adaptation,” warning of possible title-subject issues. DLNR said it was neutral on the terminology and more concerned with the substance, and noted that the bill would not waive permits; any plan would still require environmental review and applicable state and county permits. DLNR also supported OHA’s recommendation to consider impacts on Native Hawaiian traditional and customary practices during regional planning, and said the bill’s language on temporary shoreline protection measures could help address the gap between emergency permits and longer-term planning while avoiding a hardening-only approach. The Office of Planning supported the regional planning concept but noted it is not a regulatory agency and would need to work with DLNR and the Land Board. OHA supported the bill’s planning-based approach but recommended amendments to require assessment of impacts on Native Hawaiian traditional and customary practices during plan development and to clarify that environmental review would still apply at the project level. Testifiers from the Ka‘anapali Steering Committee strongly supported the bill, saying it would provide a regional framework for ongoing erosion problems while preserving full regulatory authority and normal permitting, and they proposed amendments to standardize terminology, create a limited pathway for temporary shoreline protection, and address ownership and maintenance responsibilities. Members discussed the meaning of “mitigation” versus “adaptation,” the scope of shoreline hardening, and whether the bill would help the legislature take a broader, more holistic view of shoreline decisions. No votes or final actions were taken in the portion of the hearing provided.

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• We met with five traditional banks that turned us down and three alternative, non-traditional lending
• We met with five traditional banks that turned us down and three alternative, non-traditional lending
• We met with five traditional banks that turned us down and three alternative, non-traditional lending
• We met with five traditional banks that turned us down and three alternative, non-traditional lending
• We met with five traditional banks that turned us down and three alternative, non-traditional lending

Keywords: 1187, senate, all

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• Um, but I guess one way of looking at this is perhaps we could explore other alternatives.
• Maybe we could interim study it and think a little bit more about different alternatives and use it as
• Um, yeah, I mean, I don't actually know what our alternatives are.
• think a little bit more<01:28:51.679> about<01:28:52.080> different<01:28:52.560> alternatives
• <01:28:53.679> and more about different alternatives and more about different alternatives

Keywords: 928, house, all

Summary: The committee first heard testimony on House Bill 1042, which would increase the BFA contingent credit limit. State Treasurer Monica Misipelli explained that under RSA 66, state debt capacity is tied to unrestricted revenue and that guaranteed debt counts in the calculation even though it is contingent rather than direct debt. She said the state currently has about 4.2% to 4.3% debt-to-revenue ratio, about $120 million in additional capacity, and that approving the bill’s proposed increase would reduce available capacity for future state borrowing, including capital budgets. She noted the BFA has a long history of using guarantees without a state payout, but said the legislature should consider whether the full additional $250 million is needed and whether unused guarantee authorizations, such as one for the Pease Development Authority, should be reviewed in the future. Committee members asked whether guarantees have the same effect as actual debt for bonding capacity, and the treasurer confirmed that they do for purposes of the formula. Members also asked about the usual level of debt relative to the statutory 10% cap, and she said the state generally stays well below that limit. BFA Executive Director James Key Wallace then testified that the request was driven by rising project costs, inflation, and the need for more runway so the agency does not have to return to the legislature in an emergency. He said the BFA is self-supported, has never had a guarantee paid out by the state, requires collateral and reserves, and believes the appropriate range is closer to $400 million to $450 million; he also said a Senate bill would raise the limit to $400 million. He added that the BFA’s pipeline includes projects from about $15 million to $100 million and that housing availability is an important factor in business location decisions. After closing the work session on House Bill 1042, the committee opened House Bill 241, a bill on health insurance coverage for pain management services for chronic pain. Representative Dave Nagel, the prime sponsor, gave extensive background on his long career in pain medicine and said the bill is intended to improve access to non-opioid therapies and evidence-based pain management. He described the broad population affected by chronic pain and opioid use disorder, and said the proposal has long had bipartisan and stakeholder support. No vote or final action was taken on House Bill 241 in the portion of the meeting provided.

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• Department of Safety Division of Administration Road Toll Bureau to collect road toll on motor fuel and alternative
• Department of Safety Division of Administration Road Toll Bureau to collect road toll on motor fuel and alternative
• Department of Safety Division of Administration Road Toll Bureau to collect road toll on motor fuel and alternative
• oil pollution control fees, fuel oil disposal fees, and motor oil discharge fees. motor fuel and alternative
• This motor fuel and alternative fuels.

Keywords: 1191, senate, all

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• Committee with amendments, but the bill was retained in House Finance, which instead suggested the alternatives
• And we wanted to make this system more accessible for people, that there's an alternative to court.
• accessible for people that<01:28:39.760> there's<01:28:40.000> an<01:28:40.239> alternative
• <01:28:42.000> Do that there's an alternative to court.
• Do that there's an alternative to court.

Keywords: 1191, senate, all

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• know, it takes a lot of time to get a helicopter, and sometimes if they're not there, this is an alternative
• is<00:15:04.160> an if they're not there, this is an if they're not there, this is an alternative
• 05.600> as<00:15:05.839> I've<00:15:06.000> always<00:15:06.280> said, alternative
• and as I've always said, alternative and as I've always said, seconds,<00:15:07.480> minutes<
• It is equally important to the success of a restorative practice as it is for alternative dispute resolution

Keywords: 1183, house

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• Alternatively, we are seeking funding from the companion bill that tries to raise the WIF fund cap to
• Alternatively, we are seeking funding from the companion bill that tries to raise the WIF fund cap to
• Alternatively, we are seeking funding from the companion bill that tries to raise the WIF fund cap to
• <00:48:57.760> we to go up to like 70 or 80 so uh we to go up to like 70 or 80 so uh we alternatively
• are seeking funding uh alternatively are seeking funding uh from<00:49:00.960> the<00:49:01.480

Bills: HF220, HF230, HF240, HF241, HF295, HF429, HF490, HF505, HF574, HF576, HF581, HF865, HF918, HF1085, HF1449, HF1452, HF1454, HF602

Keywords: HF220, Minnesota transportation, highway user tax distribution fund, trunk highway fund, Minnesota Department of Transportation, MnDOT, transportation finance, dedicated funds, funding restrictions, arts in transportation, cultural strategies, transportation project planning, project design, project construction, placemaking, public art, infrastructure spending, state statutes 161.045, HF230, Wyoming

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• One way to improve attendance is by using alternatives to suspensions that keep kids in the building
• One way to improve attendance is by using alternatives to suspensions that keep kids in the building
• we heard from students that were struggling with depression, anxiety, young parents, students in alternative
• we heard from students that were struggling with depression, anxiety, young parents, students in alternative
• Struggling with depression, anxiety, young parents, students in alternative programs, and just hearing

Keywords: 1183, house

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• I've included stronger language alternatives at the bottom of my testimony, drawing from Hawaii's HB
• I've included<00:58:49.720> stronger<00:58:50.000> language<00:58:50.280> alternatives
• included stronger language alternatives included stronger language alternatives at<00:58:50.880>

Bills: SB2433, SB2047, SB2425, SB3045, SB2761, SB3001, SB2852, SB2471

Keywords: condominium governance, education trust fund, unit owners, real estate, dispute resolution, financial obligations, community representation, pharmacy benefit managers, maximum allowable cost, transparency, drug pricing, insurance commissioner, contracting pharmacies, healthcare, substance use disorder, SUD, addiction treatment, behavioral health, mental health, rehabilitation

Summary: The committee heard testimony on SB 2433 SD1 relating to condominiums, which would direct the condominium education trust fund toward educational resources for unit owners and require the Real Estate Commission to ensure owners’ interests are represented in funded activities and related rulemaking. Supporters, including the Hawaii Real Estate Commission and a condominium owner advocate, said owners need a seat at the table in condo governance and education efforts. Committee discussion focused on whether the bill was necessary, with the Real Estate Commission indicating it could already use the trust fund for owner education and that owners are already considered stakeholders, though not through a specific commission seat. No vote was taken during the excerpted discussion. The committee then took up SB 2047 SD2 HD1 on pharmacy benefit managers, which would set requirements for maximum allowable cost reimbursement, allow reverse-and-rebill claims after successful appeals, and authorize fines for violations. The Insurance Division offered comments, the Hawaii Pharmacists Association supported the measure with amendments and suggested future PBM reform funding, and Kaiser Permanente requested a technical amendment. A committee question raised whether the staffing and resource request for implementation was too large for a bill focused only on MAC pricing, and the witness said he would provide more data to the next committee. No final action was shown. Next was SB 2425 SD2 HD1 on health insurance and substance use disorder treatment, requiring insurers to honor written assignments of benefits to SUD providers and prohibiting anti-assignment clauses. Supporters described patients being unable to access treatment because of high out-of-pocket costs and said direct payment would reduce harm for people in recovery. HMSA opposed the bill but said it would begin direct payments to non-participating SUD facilities effective March 27, while continuing to object to the assignment-of-benefits portion because of fraud and balance-billing concerns; the Hawaii Association of Health Plans also opposed. Members questioned HMSA about reimbursement mechanics and why the bill was needed if coverage policies were already changing. Finally, the committee heard SB 3045 SD1 HD1, which would require coverage of continuous glucose monitors and related supplies, including for Medicaid managed care, under certain conditions. DHS and the Insurance Division offered comments, while SHPDA, Hilo Benioff Medical Center Foundation, and others supported the bill, citing inconsistent access and a case in which a woman allegedly died after being denied a CGM. HMSA said it already covers medically necessary CGMs and had updated its policy in 2025 for type 1 and insulin-dependent patients, but it raised concerns about expanding mandated coverage to type 2 and gestational diabetes and about supply impacts. The committee also discussed whether the bill duplicated existing coverage standards and why it had been introduced repeatedly. No votes or final dispositions were included in the excerpt.

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• Uh, Director Berna Hashimoto offered comments on this measure and also alternate language.
• offered uh comments on this measure and offered uh comments on this measure and also<00:13:06.399> alternate
• <00:13:07.440> Um<00:13:07.760> we'll<00:13:08.000> stand also alternate language
• Um we'll stand also alternate language.

Bills: SB3082, SB3110, SB3251

Keywords: military families, family leave, qualifying military exigency, Hawaii Revised Statutes, financial support, Hawaii National Guard, civil-military program, education, collective bargaining, exemption, SB3251, Hawaii public safety, ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Border Patrol, law enforcement hiring, state employment ban, police powers, Department of Law Enforcement, DLNR

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• we continue to see the development of not only solar projects, but also many other renewable and alternative
• obligations, removing the commissioner for cause if certain conditions are met, and overseeing alternative
• that, but I think this bill, and identifying some of these places, would come up with some unique alternatives
• I think this bill and identifying some of these places I think would come up with some unique alternatives

Bills: HB2150, HB2262, HB2267, HB2268, HB2351, HB2425, HB2426, HB2427, HB2755, HB2781, HB2913, HB2943, HB2956, HB2975, HB2985, HB4009

Keywords: state land department, mineral lease, renewals, indexed royalties, land use planning, auditor general, five-year plans, geospatial data, Arizona Geological Survey, resource analysis, geographic information systems, wildlife protection, public nuisance, renewable energy, wind farm, solar farm, residential property, public health, local regulations, state land

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• Something that people actually need, and it would be healthy alternatives as opposed to highly processed
• be<00:42:15.359> healthy need and it would be healthy need and it would be healthy alternatives
• 16.640> opposed<00:42:16.880> to<00:42:18.079> uh<00:42:18.720> highly alternatives
• as opposed to uh highly alternatives as opposed to uh highly processed<00:42:19.680> food<00:

Bills: HB187, HB341, HB4, HB175, HB326

Keywords: HB187, court fees, docket fee, sheriff's fund, sheriff's office, jail operations, law enforcement, county sheriff, court filing fees, Alabama Code 12-19-312, solicitor's fund, clerk's fund, forensic services trust fund, budget flexibility, public safety, municipal court, district court, circuit court, cosmetology, makeup application

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• At the same time, the alternative investment market to which carbon belongs is booming, as a lack of
• At the same time, the alternative<00:11:56.160> investment<00:11:56.640> market<00:11:57.680
• > to<00:11:57.920> which alternative investment market to which alternative investment

Keywords: 928, house, all

Summary: The meeting opened with roll call and approval of the prior minutes, including a requested correction to Thomas Han’s statement about a Granite State Division of the Society of American Foresters subcommittee studying the timber yield tax and current use forest land tax assessment formula. The correction was adopted, and the minutes were then approved as amended. The main agenda item was a hearing of landowners on forest taxation and carbon credits. Several scheduled speakers canceled, so the committee received a letter from Ross Karen, a Coos County landowner and forester, who opposed carbon credit sales because of “leakage” and argued that diverse local markets and productive forests are better than carbon sales. Aean Kelly of White Mountain Lumber and the Randolph Town Forest also testified, saying many Coos County landowners and forest managers have declined carbon credit offers because they do not fit New Hampshire’s working-forest tradition. He argued that carbon agreements should be treated on a level playing field with traditional harvesting and that, if they are to be encouraged, they should face a fiscal adjustment comparable to the timber tax. Kelly also gave a detailed history of the timber tax, explaining that it was created in 1948 to replace uneven local property taxation on standing timber, discourage clearcutting, and stabilize the tax base while preserving working forests. He said the tax was intended to be collected when timber is harvested, not to stop logging, and that a later commission found the 10% rate roughly matched the revenue towns lost. In response to questions, he said pre-1948 assessments varied widely by town and tax collector, and that carbon projects today are already being valued by sophisticated models, so he believes carbon should be included in the assessment system. He also said short-term carbon agreements may simply monetize existing forest value, while 100-year agreements raise enforceability concerns. No votes or other formal actions were taken beyond approving the amended minutes.

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• So developers are forced uh to follow the PUD path and uh they essentially have no alternative but to
• 52.479> no PUD path and uh they essentially have no PUD path and uh they essentially have no alternative
• :54.880> enter<00:04:55.440> into<00:04:55.759> a<00:04:55.919> PUD alternative
• but to uh enter into a PUD alternative but to uh enter into a PUD process.<00:04:57.759> Now,

Keywords: 1183, house

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• bill is successful, the legal system and juvenile justice system will want to move to restorative alternatives
• bill is successful, the legal system and juvenile justice system will want to move to restorative alternatives
• She said this is really good and that they are in strong support. alternatives like uh community service
• . alternatives like uh community service.

Keywords: 910, house, all

Summary: The committee met on March 20, 2025, to hear a series of Human Services and Health resolutions. HCR 146, which asks the Department of Human Services to apply for and implement the Elderly Simplified Application Project, drew strong support from disability, public health, and hunger advocates. Testifiers emphasized that the measure could create a more uniform benefits application, reduce repeated paperwork, extend certification periods from one year to three years, and ease burdens on both applicants and DHS staff. DHS said it stood on its written testimony and was available for questions. The committee also heard that a universal application could help people with disabilities avoid delays and denials caused by complex or duplicative forms. The committee then heard HR 170/HCR 174, which requests review of Aloha-based learning programs for youth in the juvenile legal system. Supporters from Opportunity for Youth Action Hawaii and DebtFree Justice Hawaii said the resolution would help advance restorative justice, community service, and culturally grounded rehabilitation, especially if youth fees and fines are reduced or eliminated. Testimony also supported HR 133/HCR 139, which asks the Office of Wellness and Resilience to report on the developmental needs of children born during the COVID-19 pandemic. Witnesses from the developmental disabilities council, the Office of Wellness and Resilience, the Hawaii Community Foundation, and others said the pandemic’s trauma and behavioral impacts justify a multidisciplinary, evidence-based report, and the office requested more time to complete its findings, suggesting a deadline at the end of 2026. The committee also heard HR 88/HCR 92, proposing a two-year homelessness sanctuary pilot program in Honolulu. One testifier described sleeping in a car and said the pilot could provide a safer option, while the Statewide Office on Homelessness and Housing Solutions said it supported the intent but stressed that a sanctuary is still an unsheltered situation and should lead people toward permanent housing. HCR 180, calling for collaboration among homelessness and law enforcement agencies, received comments that many of the issues are already being addressed locally. HR 103/HCR 107, which would convene a working group to strengthen Title 9 protections, received support from education, women’s, and LGBTQ advocates, who asked for student and queer representation on the working group and said federal Title 9 changes make state action important. No votes were taken during the portion of the meeting provided, and the committee moved from one resolution to the next after testimony and questions.

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• ACP looks forward to continuing conversations about an alternative solution with all those involved,
• conversations forward to continuing conversations about<00:15:38.519> an<00:15:38.680> alternative
• /c><00:15:39.240> solution<00:15:40.120> with<00:15:40.360> those about an alternative
• solution with those about an alternative solution with those all<00:15:40.920> those<00:15:41.120

Keywords: 1183, house

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• And we're happy to explore all those alternatives, right.
• ><00:24:10.120> those we're happy to explore all those we're happy to explore all those Alternatives
• 12.159> but<00:24:12.279> I'll<00:24:12.440> tell<00:24:12.600> you Alternatives
• right um but I'll tell you Alternatives right um but I'll tell you that<00:24:13.120> the<00:

Keywords: 912, senate, all

Summary: The committee opened its first hearing of 2025 and announced that all measures heard that day would be deferred to the next committee hearing for decision-making on Thursday, January 30. The agenda centered largely on procurement and government-operations bills, with testimony generally split between state agencies and local governments. On procurement measures, SB 254 and SB 383 would raise small-purchase thresholds; the State Procurement Office opposed both, while county officials, the City and County of Honolulu, the state librarian, and others supported them. SB 382, which would bar disclosure of a competing offeror’s proposal or evaluation score, and SB 462, which would require performance incentive contracts to specify pricing bases, goals, and formulas, drew mostly written comments and some support from agencies such as the Department of Transportation and Department of Education. SB 615, which would treat certain large change orders as new contracts, received opposition from the Comptroller and engineering interests. The committee also heard several bills on vacancies, appointments, and legislative oversight. SB 5 on state legislative vacancies had one supporting testifier, while SB 300 on deadlines for filling certain Senate vacancies drew opposition from several individuals and support from one late testifier. SB 1081, which would create a legislative budget office to provide fiscal analysis and reports on bills, received broad support from advocacy groups, civic organizations, and individuals. SB 711, requiring Senate advice and consent for certain executive-branch appointments, drew written opposition from the Governor’s Office and support from one individual. SB 375, establishing a select commission on government restructuring, had one written supporter. SB 418, which would require the Attorney General’s office to review a portion of administrative rules each year, prompted extended discussion about outdated rules, the difficulty of repealing or amending rules, and whether the bill should be refined; the AG’s office indicated the process is burdensome and could be streamlined. The committee then took up transparency and access measures. SB 55, requiring agency rules to be posted online in a digitally accessible format, received support from several advocacy and civic groups and written comment from the Lieutenant Governor’s Office. SB 870 would direct the comptroller to identify state office buildings that could provide equitable telecom access for remote participation in hearings, especially for residents with disabilities; the Comptroller supported the concept, and members discussed using libraries, DAGS facilities, county facilities, and other public buildings, with concerns raised about staffing, bandwidth, and competing public use. SB 270, a sunshine-law measure allowing board members to attend informational meetings and presentations, drew opposition from the Public First Law Center, which argued it would create a broad loophole and should be narrowed to existing county-council provisions. SB 45, concerning neighborhood board meetings and third-party presentations, prompted discussion about whether it actually addressed neighborhood boards’ Sunshine Law concerns; the committee was told it was not the right vehicle for that issue. SB 406, which would cap copying fees for government records at 5 cents per page with exceptions, drew support from media and transparency groups but opposition from DAGS, which said its actual per-page cost is much higher; members discussed possible electronic-copy alternatives and asked for more cost information before the next hearing.