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NM
New Mexico 2026 Regular Session
House - Health and Human Services Jan 30th, 2026 at 08:34 am
House Health & Human Services
Transcript Highlights:
- I'm not including them in this conversation.
- And I also want to thank my colleagues for the respectful conversation.
- We signed up to have these hard conversations and you did just that.
- We signed up to have these hard conversations and you did just that.
- Please leave, but take your conversations to the outside. I'm sorry.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Press Conference: Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Media Availability - 09/17/25
Transcript Highlights:
- It's been disappointing that unfortunately in those conversations, it's been name calling, telling us
- It's been disappointing that unfortunately in those conversations, it's been name calling, telling us
- It's been disappointing that unfortunately in those conversations, it's been name calling, telling us
- , unfortunately in those conversations, unfortunately in those conversations, it's<00:09:44.720><
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as will help inform the conversation as will help inform the conversation as
NM
New Mexico 2025 Regular Session
IC - New Mexico Finance Authority Oversight Jul 10th, 2025
New Mexico Finance Authority Oversight Committee
Transcript Highlights:
- I had a really nice conversation. This morning with some of your staff.
- In New Mexico, we've had charter schools since the early 90s as conversion schools.
- going—not every month, but it’s a recurring conversation. ...conversation because they're interested
- It's an interesting conversation. I thank Madam Chair and the presenters.
- I think that's a conversation.
TX
Transcript Highlights:
- Members, please take your conversations outside the rail. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Moody.
- We need to have a conversation about what we pay the governor.
- Let's have a conversation another time about our retirement, about our compensation.
- They need those conversations. They need those clubs. They need the anti-bullying support.
- It bans classroom conversations about gender identity and sexual orientation. It eliminates DEI.
Bills:
SB1637, SB1, HB300, SB2601, SB37, HB2011, HB3595, HB3071, SB12, HB3372, SB457, HB2067, SB2337, SB447, SB1506, SB1566, SB763, HB3556, SB13, SB2018, SB331, SB379, HB145, SB441, SB2878, HB2885, HB2017, HB5246, SB8, SB2308, SB1540, HB 119, SB1405, SB3059, SB15, SB568
Keywords:
SB 1637, deadly conduct, Texas Penal Code, Section 22.05, firearm, gun, pointing a gun, recklessness presumption, peace officer, law enforcement, police, officer-involved shooting, use of force, justification, self-defense, defense of others, Chapter 9, criminal prosecution, Penal Code amendment, appropriations
NM
New Mexico 2025 Regular Session
IC - Courts, Corrections and Justice May 27th, 2025
Courts, Corrections & Justice Committee
Transcript Highlights:
- I want to Note that they're not here for this conversation to show up for legislators when we all once
- Um, I look forward to future conversations about that and um I'm hoping, Mr.
- I would love to have that conversation because it makes no sense to have two oversight entities, one
- Uh, I wanted to add, um, To the conversation here of the committee.
- And part of our conversation, uh, Mr.
KY
Kentucky 2025 Regular Session
House Standing Committee on Transportation (3-11-25)
Transcript Highlights:
- They were the ones that they could have a conversation with when they would get a hold of Medical Review
- I had was we certainly conversations I had was we certainly need<00:19:23.520>
to <00:19:23.679 - I think every time this conversation comes up, I feel the need to remind everybody that driving is a
- You know, I know that there’s a lot of conversation about infringing on someone else’s rights, but I
- about infringing on someone conversation about infringing on someone else's<00:32:21.639>
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Keywords:
Roll Call 00:39
Approval of Minutes 01:45
SB 136 Discussion 02:51
SB 136 Vote 07:14
SB 43 Discussion 08:49
SB 43 Vote 20:02
SB 38 Discussion 20:45
SB 38 Vote 35:50
SJR 66 Discussion only 37:08
Admin. Reg. Review 41:10, 958, all
Summary:
The House Transportation Committee met with a quorum, approved the March 4 minutes, and then took up several Senate measures. Senate Bill 36, dealing with cleanup language for CAVIS and electronic submission of liens and satisfactions, was amended by committee substitute to require lien holders to begin using electronic title and registration systems starting July 1, 2026. After questions from members and testimony from county clerk Jason Denny and title-industry representative Tom Underwood, the committee adopted the substitute and reported the bill favorably with the substitute attached.
The committee then considered Senate Bill 43, which updates the medical review board process under KRS 186.444. Senator Donald Douglas and Senator Jimmy Higdon described the bill as a response to complaints about fairness and transparency in medical review cases, including a constituent example involving a disabled veteran whose VA medical clearance was rejected. The bill changes who may serve on the board, adds flexibility and transparency, shifts reimbursement language to allow the Transportation Cabinet to set costs by regulation, and includes provisions aimed at broadening participation by qualified health care providers. Members discussed the role of school resource officers, the use of family affidavits in reporting, and the need to keep costs down; the committee adopted the substitute, approved a title amendment, and reported the bill favorably.
Senate Bill 38, concerning stop-arm violations on school buses and the use of cameras and enforcement procedures, also received a committee substitute and was reported favorably. Senator Greg Elkins and supporters said the bill is intended to address widespread illegal passing of stopped school buses and to help fund stop-arm cameras, while critics raised concerns about automated enforcement and the role of a live officer. Members cited survey data and personal stories about school-bus safety, and the sponsor explained that school resource officers would work with local law enforcement on citations, which are contemplated as civil penalties. The committee also heard discussion-only testimony on Senate Joint Resolution 66, which would create a task force on aviation, aerospace, and logistics economic development; no vote was taken on the resolution because it had just passed the Senate and had not yet been formally received by the committee.
MA
Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session
Status of Persons with Disabilities Jun 21st, 2026 at 11:00 am
Transcript Highlights:
- So we continuously need the help of industry to remain engaged, to continue the conversation on what
- So we continuously need the help of industry to remain engaged, to continue the conversation on what
- We would love for this particular subcommittee to be part and involved in these conversations.
- I really wanted to start the conversation. Okay.
- And this can also—we can start the conversation today, Chris, as we did with disability employment on
Summary:
The subcommittee met to approve the April and May minutes, welcome a new member, and hear an update from Gina Frey of EOHHS on statewide health and human services workforce development efforts. Frey described cross-secretariat initiatives under the Workforce Skills Cabinet, including MA Repay loan repayment awards, expanded community college and tuition supports, ESOL/work-readiness programming for immigrants, and efforts to build career pathways and reduce attrition in nursing, behavioral health, direct care, and primary care. She also reviewed a $46 million ARPA-funded home and community-based services grant program that supported 82 grantees, led to hiring 8,752 new staff, over 1,000 interns, 2,000 new certifications, and a drop in vacancy rates from 22% to 12%.
Members raised concerns about the impact of immigration policy changes on the direct care workforce, including losses of trained workers in provider agencies, and asked whether any exemption or other relief efforts were underway. Frey said EOHHS is tracking the issue closely but did not identify a specific exemption effort. The discussion also touched on Medicaid and related program changes, with Frey noting the administration is focused on understanding potential impacts to eligibility and work requirements. Rep. Howard asked about initiatives for direct support professionals and wraparound supports, and Frey said those efforts are often led by individual agencies such as MassAbility and DDS, with EOHHS coordinating across them.
The latter part of the meeting shifted to planning FY26 subcommittee goals and possible events. Members discussed using the Health Policy Commission’s Behavioral Health Workforce Center and possibly asking for a study comparing compensation in DDS and related direct care roles against health care and education jobs. They also discussed a possible cross-state public event on immigration’s impact on the workforce, especially for people with disabilities and direct support services, and agreed to continue refining goals and event ideas by email and at the next meeting. Frey provided a website link and contact information for Amy Doyle at the Health Policy Commission to facilitate future presentations.
FL
Florida 2026 5th Special Session
Children, Families, and Elder Affairs Feb 10th, 2026
Transcript Highlights:
- Senator, I cannot thank you enough for the conversations that we've been able to have, and your insights
- I have appreciated the conversations that we've had, and also appreciated the conversations that we've
- Can you give us a, of course, we've had a lot of conversation over the funding formulas and things of
- And Madam Secretary, thank you for the conversations we've had over the course of time.
- I have appreciated very, very deeply our conversations that we've had throughout the years, and you have
Summary:
The Committee on Children, Families, and Elder Affairs considered three bills and a confirmation. On SB 1600, as amended, the sponsor explained that the original child welfare language was replaced with a strike-all requiring the Office of Insurance Regulation to work with DCF and community-based care lead agencies to study liability insurance coverage and availability, report findings to the Legislature by January 1, 2027, and allow penalties for failure to provide requested information. The committee adopted the amendment and amendment to the amendment, heard supportive testimony from child welfare advocates, and reported the committee substitute favorably.
The committee also heard CS/SB 556, which would allow students with disabilities to satisfy a physical education graduation requirement through participation in Special Olympics, and clarify that two years of marching band participation can satisfy PE and fine arts credit. Special Olympics Florida, parents, and other supporters testified in favor, and the bill was reported favorably. On SB 794, the sponsor described requirements for background screening of employees in residential facilities and day training programs for people with developmental disabilities, plus a review of waiver support coordination quality, workforce needs, geographic service gaps, and related recommendations due in 2027. The committee adopted a conforming amendment and reported the bill.
The committee then took up the confirmation of Taylor Hatch as Secretary of the Department of Children and Families. Hatch outlined DCF’s recent work on child welfare, behavioral health, peer support, and technology improvements, and answered questions about child welfare system challenges, funding formulas, opioid settlement dollars, and interoperability of agency systems. After public comment, the committee voted to recommend her confirmation favorably, with Chair Graal voting no. The meeting ended with a request to record one senator’s vote on SB 1600 and adjournment.
FL
Florida 2026 Regular Session
Children, Families, and Elder Affairs Feb 10th, 2026
Children, Families, and Elder Affairs
Transcript Highlights:
- Senator, I cannot thank you enough for the conversations that we've been able to have, and you sharing
- I have appreciated the conversations that we've had, also appreciated the conversations that we've been
- Can you give us a, of course, we've had a lot of conversation over the funding formulas and things of
- And Madam Secretary, thank you for the conversations we've had over the course of time.
- I have appreciated very, very deeply our conversations that we've had throughout the years, and you have
Keywords:
high school diploma, graduation requirements, physical education credit, performing arts credit, marching band, Special Olympics, students with disabilities, IEP, individual education plan, 504 plan, Florida education, school credits, diploma substitution, ROTC, dance class, State Board of Education, public schools, graduation pathways, adaptive physical education, Agency for Persons with Disabilities
Summary:
The Committee on Children, Families, and Elder Affairs considered three bills and a confirmation. On SB 1600, the committee adopted a strike-all amendment and a technical amendment that shifted the bill from creating an accreditation process to requiring the Office of Insurance Regulation, DCF, and community-based care lead agencies to study liability insurance coverage and availability in the child welfare sector and report findings to the legislature by January 1, 2027; the bill also included enforcement provisions for failure to provide requested information. Support was noted from child and family advocacy groups, and the committee reported the bill favorably.
The committee also heard CS for SB 556, which would allow students with disabilities to satisfy a physical education graduation requirement through participation in Special Olympics, if included in the student’s IEP, and would clarify that two years of marching band participation can satisfy both PE and fine arts credit. Special Olympics Florida, families, and other supporters testified in favor, emphasizing flexibility, access, and recognition of rigorous activity. The bill was reported favorably. The committee then considered CS for SB 794, which requires background screening for employees of residential facilities and day training programs serving people with developmental disabilities and directs a review of waiver support coordination, including quality, consistency, access, competencies, recruitment and retention, caseloads, and geographic gaps in services. An amendment to conform to the House version was adopted, and the bill was reported favorably.
Members then questioned Secretary Taylor Hatch regarding her confirmation as Secretary of the Department of Children and Families. Senators raised concerns about child welfare system performance, parent notification and rights, CBC funding formulas, managing entities, opioid settlement spending, peer support expansion, and technology/interoperability improvements. Hatch described DCF’s recent data and initiatives, including reductions in out-of-home care entries, youth advisory efforts, missing children recovery operations, expanded behavioral health capacity, and technology upgrades for benefits processing. Public comment included support from family and provider organizations and concerns from a former foster care worker about medical misdiagnosis cases. The committee voted to recommend Hatch’s confirmation favorably, with Chair Grall voting no, and adjourned after allowing Senator Sharief to be recorded as voting in favor of SB 1600.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House committee OKs bill to overhaul Minnesota's child care tax credit, HF1384 3/4/25
Transcript Highlights:
- We just so appreciate the focus on family affordability and want to keep the conversation going.
- c><00:10:54.680>
um <00:10:54.880>take To the Tax Committee, I want to take that conversation - renew my motion that HF 1384 be re-referred to the Committee on Taxes so we can continue this conversation
- So appreciate the support for this and look forward to continuing conversations if anybody has $200 million
- The bill is on its way to Taxes. conversations if anybody has 200 million conversations if anybody has
Summary:
The committee heard House File 1384, which would create the “Great Start Child Care Tax Credit” by expanding the existing dependent care credit for families with children under age six. The bill would raise the qualifying expense limits for young children, allow more children to qualify, and phase the credit down starting at $125,000 of earned household income until it reaches zero above roughly $400,000. The author said the proposal is intended to better address the high cost of child care, especially for middle-income families who may not qualify for other assistance programs.
Claire Sanford of the Minnesota Child Care Association testified in support. She said child care providers across Minnesota have unused capacity because many families cannot afford services, and argued that making care cheaper for families is important for workforce participation and child development. She also supported the bill’s focus on children under five and its expansion of help up the income scale, saying middle-class families have received little assistance with child care costs.
Members asked about how the bill differs from current law, the cap for a family with one child age five, and the fiscal impact. The author explained that a family with one child under age six would have a $10,000 cap under the proposal and said a prior fiscal note estimated the bill at about $200 million per year. The author also noted the proposal had been introduced previously and said the Department of Revenue’s new ability to make advance payments could be relevant as the bill moves forward.
The author renewed the motion to re-refer HF 1384 to the Committee on Taxes. The committee approved the motion by voice vote, and the bill was sent to Taxes.
OR
Oregon 2026 Regular Session
Attorney General Rayfield Press Event: Medicaid Fraud Enforcement Record Jun 23rd, 2026 at 02:00 pm
Transcript Highlights:
- And so we went to listen and be a part of that conversation.
- And so we went to listen and be a part of that conversation.
- So some of the conversation, and again, you would even hear this from my Republican colleagues, was about
- I think there's a broader conversation. We were already exploring that here in Oregon.
- So I think these are also emerging conversations.
Summary:
Oregon Attorney General staff held a press event on National Health Care Fraud Take Down Day to announce new Medicaid fraud enforcement actions and highlight the work of the state’s Medicaid Fraud Control Unit. The attorney general said the unit, created in 1986, has secured 348 criminal convictions, 156 civil settlements and judgments, and significant recoveries since 2010, and noted the legislature recently approved additional staffing. She framed the work as protecting vulnerable Oregonians and taxpayer dollars, and said the unit is a small multidisciplinary team of investigators, auditors, attorneys, data analysts, and a nurse investigator.
The office announced criminal filings in four cases involving alleged fraud by providers or public employees, including charges against a Beaverton man tied to housing assistance funds, a Corvallis provider and company accused of billing Medicaid for services not provided, a former Lane County employee accused of improper personal purchases on a government credit card, and a Tigard man in a medical transportation-related case. The attorney general also cited recent outcomes in other cases, including a Portland nurse who pleaded no contest and was sentenced to jail, probation, and restitution for billing for services not provided. She emphasized that the defendants are presumed innocent.
In response to questions, the attorney general said Oregon staff attended a recent federal meeting on Medicaid fraud despite late notice to many Democratic states, describing the issue as bipartisan even amid broader disagreements with the Trump administration. She said federal staffing cuts have made state enforcement more important and that Oregon is already evaluating how to adapt to a more complex fraud landscape. She also said the cases announced are primarily against providers and entities rather than Medicaid recipients, and that Oregon’s managed care system is not currently a major barrier to investigations.
AL
Alabama 2025 Regular Session
Alabama House Shelby County Legislation Committee Apr 22nd, 2025
Shelby County Legislation
Transcript Highlights:
- Kenneth, I know you've had conversations with the sheriff and some others this morning about this.
- county... ...this is asking our county commissioners to do something, and they were not part of the conversation
- You and I had conversations after this, and you asked how could these conversations have occurred outside
- the... ...conversations have occurred outside the amendment.
Bills:
SB314
MA
Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session
Joint Committee on Ways and Means Jun 21st, 2026 at 10:30 am
Joint Committee on Ways and Means
Transcript Highlights:
- So I’m sure we’ll continue to have more conversations.
- So we also welcome a conversation downstairs. Yeah, we could. That would be great.
- We've had conversations with utilities on collaborating more closely.
- I echo the gratitude and the appreciation for the partnership and the ongoing conversations.
- So it’s a lot of conversation, a lot of education, a lot of partnership here.
Summary:
The Joint Committee on Ways and Means held a public FY27 budget hearing at Barnstable Town Hall, with opening remarks emphasizing the Cape and Islands’ seasonal infrastructure, housing, transportation, workforce, and digital needs. The hearing began with testimony from the Executive Office of Labor and Workforce Development, which outlined the Healey-Driscoll administration’s budget priorities for job training, apprenticeship, youth employment, reentry programs, and unemployment insurance modernization. The secretary highlighted proposed funding for the Workforce Competitiveness Trust Fund, Career Technical Initiative, YouthWorks, reentry workforce development, and services for young adults with disabilities, along with a proposal to streamline youth work permits. Members also discussed the unemployment trust fund, the COVID assessment on employers, rising unemployment, and the need to improve DUA customer service and claims processing.
Committee members asked about job seeker barriers such as child care, housing, transportation, and out-migration of young workers, as well as how to keep Cape Cod graduates and seasonal workers in the region. The administration said its strategy is to pair training with broader affordability investments and to expose students to career pathways earlier, including through middle school, early childhood STEM, YouthWorks, pre-apprenticeships, and Building Pathways. Senators and representatives also raised concerns about regional funding disparities, especially for Hampshire Franklin MassHire, and the administration said it is reviewing MassHire funding and service equity through a policy committee and statewide workforce board. On unemployment assistance, officials reported major improvements in wait times and claims processing, but said they are still working through backlogs and staffing challenges while maintaining program integrity.
The committee then heard testimony from the Executive Office of Economic Development. The secretary described House 2 as a fiscally restrained budget with no new taxes or fees, while preserving core programs and using the Mass Leads Act tools to support competitiveness. EOED’s proposal included funding for the Community One Stop for Growth, rural economic development, social enterprise operating grants, regional economic development organizations, the Workforce Investment Trust Fund, Community Workforce Partnerships, Pathmaker, advanced manufacturing training, life sciences, innovation vouchers, AI initiatives, small business assistance, and tourism and live theater support. The Office of Consumer Affairs and Business Regulation also testified on its FY27 request, focusing on consumer protection, licensing, banking, insurance, and public safety regulation. No votes were taken during the hearing.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
Human Committee Meeting - 2026-04-09
Human Services Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- And since we've had this conversation about how to increase program integrity and where we're finding
- Um, and I we don't always conversations.
- in charge of having those conversations. in charge of having those conversations.
- , they're not part of the conversation, they're not part of the conversation, right?
- The reason why we're bringing it forward is to just continue the conversation.
Keywords:
human services, community support, integrated care, disability services, stakeholder consultation, homeless youth, grants, funding, Minnesota, mental health, substance use disorder, education, workforce development, licensure, direct care services, healthcare, long-term care, personal care assistants, employment support, medical assistance
Summary:
The Human Services Finance and Policy Committee approved the April 8, 2026 minutes and then heard House File 1767, as amended by the DE4 amendment. Representative Garande explained that the bill, originally intended to codify Integrated Community Supports (ICS), was being redirected because of concerns about fraud vulnerability and program integrity. The DE4 would create a smaller legislative study group to redesign ICS, pause DHS changes for about six months while the group develops a transition plan, continue DHS fraud investigations and enforcement, and ultimately terminate ICS as currently structured.
Testimony in support came from Mr. Buck and Zania Harut of the Residential Providers Association of Minnesota, both of whom argued that ICS is unstable, inconsistently implemented, and in need of a new statutory foundation. They said the current system mixes different service models under one rate framework, lacks clear codification, and has shifting policy guidance that creates compliance problems for providers and risks to people receiving services. They emphasized that the bill would preserve oversight and enforcement while allowing time to build a replacement service with clearer rules, documentation standards, and guardrails.
Members asked about effects on counties, providers, data, audits, and fraud enforcement. Representative Curran and Mr. Berg said the bill would not change funding structures or DHS’s existing authority to audit, request documentation, investigate fraud, or sanction bad actors, and that the study group would use existing data to identify where problems are concentrated. Vice Chair Gillman supported the study-group approach as a bipartisan, public process and raised concerns about whether the bill would prevent DHS from acting on known fraud; Curran responded that the language was intended to preserve those enforcement actions. The discussion ended without a final vote on the bill in the portion provided, beyond adoption of the DE4 amendment.
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy Committee 3/24/26
Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
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about have you had conversations about have you had conversations about potential - Just a reminder, we had a very robust conversation about this.
- Just a reminder, we had a very robust conversation about this.
- Just a reminder, we had a very robust conversation about this.
- This is continuing the conversation This is continuing the conversation about<01:30:26.360>
how
Keywords:
airport workers, wage standards, labor rights, minimum wage, economic equity, surveillance, price discrimination, wage discrimination, consumer rights, automated decision systems, Minnesota Statutes, suitable seating, employee seating, workplace seating, occupational safety, workplace safety, labor standards, employer requirements, chair, stool
MN
Transcript Highlights:
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But, having the conversation with us. - And I think that there's been a number of conversations and a willingness to engage in those conversations
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Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Human Services Finance and Policy Committee 2/18/26
Human Services Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
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and to remove any sort of conversation and to remove any sort of conversation - I know I had conversations with the chair.
- So, I'll withdraw the amendment so that we can continue to have that conversation based on our conversation
- I'll withdraw the amendment so that we can continue to have that conversation based on our conversation
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about meetings and conversations about meetings and conversations about intervention.
Bills:
HF3379
MN
Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session
House Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy Committee 3/20/25
Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- I urge your support on House File 1936 and look forward to more conversations.
- She added that the bill will be laid over and she looks forward to further conversation.
- She added that the bill will be laid over and she looks forward to further conversation.
- <01:15:34.560>
so up uh this is some good conversation so up uh this is some good conversation - So that's just something I think an ongoing conversation to have.
Keywords:
workforce development, youth employment, career guidance, education, job skills, Duluth Promise, education funding, career training, employment support, youth apprenticeship, economic development, minority support, internship program, Bloomington, funding, youth mentorship, job training, disadvantaged youth, Big Brothers Big Sisters, Youthprise
MN
Minnesota 2025 1st Special Session
House Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy Committee 2/20/25
Workforce, Labor, and Economic Development Finance and Policy
Transcript Highlights:
- involved in conversations nationally and helped<00:24:25.919>
draft <00:24:26.279>things <00:46:23.480>since we've heard in the conversation since we've heard in the conversation - Representative Greenman said this has been an interesting conversation.
- talking about sort of the conversations talking about sort of the conversations you're<01:17:06.480
- Thank you, members, for the dialogue and conversation.
Keywords:
telecommunications, installation, certification, safety, underground utilities, HF335, Greater Minnesota, economic development, public infrastructure, grant program, DEED, Department of Employment and Economic Development, business development, infrastructure grants, local government aid, general fund appropriation, rural development, site development, utilities, roads
MN
Transcript Highlights:
- as it goes along I think conversation as it goes along I think that<00:02:06.280>
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- I just appreciate the conversation.
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I just I appreciate the conversation I just I appreciate the conversation I - , and there is nobody to converse with them.