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MA

Massachusetts 2025-2026 Regular Session

Joint Committee on Environment and Natural Resources Jun 21st, 2026 at 01:00 pm

Joint Committee on Environment and Natural Resources

Transcript Highlights:
  • Everybody loves the MVP program. Very popular. It is the MVP of programs.
  • So this is for the Chapter 61 program, the current use program, for someone who has...
  • Sure, so this is for the Chapter 61 program, the current use program.
  • Like the MVP program, it is extremely oversubscribed, so filing some more money into that program to
  • I love those programs. And I continue to be eternally grateful. I love those programs.
Summary: The hearing focused on the Healey-Driscoll administration’s Mass Ready Act, a $3 billion environmental bond bill. Administration officials said the bill would fund climate resilience, clean water, land conservation, parks, PFAS remediation, food security infrastructure, and coastal and inland flood protection, while also streamlining permitting for housing, restoration, and other resilience projects. They emphasized that the bond authorizes spending but does not itself obligate it, and said the proposal includes deauthorizations as housekeeping. Committee members asked about the new Resilience Revolving Fund, flood and drought management, MVP funding, land acquisition, Chapter 61 right-of-first-refusal changes, salt marsh carbon sequestration, and how the bill would help smaller municipalities and offset expected federal funding losses. Officials said the revolving fund would be managed through EEA and the Clean Water Trust, with criteria aimed at directing aid to communities most in need, and noted that drought issues would continue to be handled through existing DEP and drought commission tools. Several committee members and witnesses discussed specific policy provisions, including flood disclosure requirements for homebuyers and renters, expanded authority for regional planning and small-town access to grants, and permitting reforms that would exempt or expedite certain environmental restoration and priority housing projects from more time-consuming review processes. Administration witnesses defended the reforms as a way to achieve the same environmental outcomes faster and with more certainty, while some advocates argued the bill should go further, especially on Chapter 91 and restoration permitting. The administration also described investments in DCR facilities, water and wastewater systems, open space, agricultural easements, and a new focus on blue carbon and salt marsh restoration. Public testimony largely supported the bill. Mass Audubon, the Trustees of Reservations, the Environmental League of Massachusetts, The Nature Conservancy, MAPC, the Massachusetts Municipal Association, municipal officials, and others praised the bill’s resilience, conservation, and water infrastructure investments. Some witnesses urged additional funding for land protection, coastal resilience, buyouts, and restoration, and several called for stronger or simpler permitting reforms. Municipal witnesses from Boston, Beckett, Beverly, Conway, and regional planning organizations stressed the need for flexible financing, especially for small and rural communities facing costly infrastructure and climate adaptation projects. No votes were taken during the portion of the hearing provided; the committee heard testimony and asked questions before moving on to additional panels.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Committee on Energy, Utilities, Environment and Climate - 04/07/25

Energy, Utilities, Environment, and Climate

Transcript Highlights:
  • How does that program work? million. How does that program work?
  • </c> program, I'm not an expert on that one. program, I'm not an expert on that one.
  • </c> added additional money to the program. added additional money to the program.
  • </c><00:20:58.960><c> Senator</c> program have not changed. Senator program have not changed.
  • ><c> LMI</c><00:51:54.960><c> program</c><00:51:55.680><c> is</c> the new program, the LMI program is
NM

New Mexico 2025 Regular Session

IC - Public School Capital Outlay Oversight Task Oct 10th, 2025

Public School Capital Outlay Oversight Task Force

Transcript Highlights:
  • The two largest are for public programs.
  • Additionally, we provide pilot teaching programs.
  • Looking at the details in the pilot program and in the standards-based program, we've seen that we've
  • Looking at the details in the pilot program and in the standards-based program, we've seen that we've
  • Move their teacher housing programs forward through our standards-based programs at the PSFA.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Education Policy Committee 2/11/25

Education Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • care food program child and adult care food program serving<00:02:45.560><c> children</c><00:02:46.000
  • </c> defraud Federal Child Nutrition programs defraud Federal Child Nutrition programs and<00:04:25.720
  • Care Food Program, or CACFP, and the Summer Food Service Program, or SFSP.
  • </c> their sites for compliance with program their sites for compliance with program requirements<00:
  • CACFP and SFSP programs.
ND

North Dakota 2026 1st Special Session

Legislative Task Force on Government Efficiency Jun 30th, 2026 at 01:00 pm

Legislative Task Force on Government Efficiency

Transcript Highlights:
  • or an existing program that is being suggested as an expansion of the program by an agency, these various
  • or an existing program that is being suggested as an expansion of the program by an agency, these various
  • This is rich discussion because our first program evaluation now is of child care programming.
  • We may not be able to evaluate every program, but how do we select which programs we're going to evaluate
  • We may not be able to evaluate every program, but how do we select which programs we're going to evaluate
TX

Texas 89th Regular

Appropriations - S/C on Article III Feb 26th, 2025

Appropriations - S/C on Article III

Transcript Highlights:
  • It has contributed to the groundbreaking Regents Promise program. plus program, which is funded entirely
  • Some doctoral programs in engineering, cybersecurity, programs, things that we think really contribute
  • We have to be able to grow our programs and expand our programs.
  • We'll be bringing forward 10 bachelor's programs, nine master's programs, and four PhD programs. numerous
  • Funding these programs ensures program growth and sustainability and allows us to continue addressing
WA

Washington 2025-2026 Regular Session

Senate Ways & Means Feb 2nd, 2026

Transcript Highlights:
  • Due to recent changes in federal funding for the HUD Continuum of Care program, there are many programs
  • This bill does not change the mission of the community reinvestment program, The program it is designed
  • SB 5961 does not change how the program works for families.
  • Each of reconsider this program that harms most workers.
  • Department of Veterans Affairs administers the Dependents Educational Assistance Program, or DEA program
Summary: The committee held a public hearing on a series of housing, education, workforce, and court-related bills. On Substitute Senate Bill 5884, staff described changes to a sales and use tax deferral for redeveloping vacant or underused land into affordable housing, including broader eligible property definitions and lower affordability thresholds in designated areas. Testimony was mixed: builders opposed language they feared could encourage project labor agreements, while Spokane and Kent representatives supported the bill but asked for flexibility on affordability mix requirements. On Senate Bill 6256, which expands a property tax exemption for nonprofit low-income rental housing to include certain co-located community uses during construction and extends the pre-construction exemption period, testimony was strongly supportive from housing nonprofits and local housing partners, with questions focused on clawback provisions. The committee also heard Substitute Senate Bill 6027, which expands allowable uses of local housing and supportive housing sales tax revenue, adjusts a REET exemption timeline, broadens emergency housing definitions, and changes use of the Affordable Housing for All account. County, housing, and nonprofit witnesses said the bill would help preserve housing and services amid federal funding uncertainty, though Snohomish County asked for an amendment to allow rental assistance. Substitute Senate Bill 6018 would revise the Housing Finance Commission’s authority, including direct lending and bond counsel terms; commission staff said it would modernize outdated restrictions and improve financing flexibility. Substitute Senate Bill 6028 would create a revolving loan fund for mixed-income homeownership projects; supporters said it would help smaller infill projects pencil, while staff noted the loans would be subordinate and carry some risk. Later, the committee heard Senate Bill 6275 on the community reinvestment program, which would require periodic plan updates, reporting, and a WSIPP study, while also expressing legislative intent to continue at least $100 million annually in the account. Advocates, workforce groups, legal aid providers, and small business owners testified that the program supports communities harmed by past disinvestment and should be made permanent and more accountable. Substitute Senate Bill 5961 would move the Imagination Library program from DCYF to OSPI; early literacy advocates and local partners supported the transfer as better aligned with school readiness. Substitute Senate Bill 5969 would integrate IEP transition plans with high school and beyond plans, and a prior critic said amendments addressed her concerns. Second Substitute Senate Bill 5292 would shift PFML premium rate-setting to the annual actuarial report and raise the reserve target; labor and industry witnesses supported the change, while a policy group opposed the program’s costs. The committee also heard Senate Bill 5868 to add one superior court judge each in Skagit and Yakima counties. Judges and county officials testified that caseloads, population growth, and backlogs justify the additions, and county leaders said they had already budgeted for their share. Finally, Substitute Senate Bill 5827 would allow service members to use pre-discharge certification to claim veterans’ civil service preference; the sponsor said it would solve a timing problem for transitioning service members. No votes or final committee actions were taken in the transcript, as the meeting consisted of bill briefings and public testimony.
HI

Hawaii 2025 Regular Session

WAM-FIN Informational Briefing 02-14-2025

Hawaii Senate Floor Meeting

Transcript Highlights:
  • I'm from the EST Foundation and the Mel MS program. First, mahalo for our Mel MS program.
  • Our Mel MS program is a visual arts and culture program.
  • Department of Justice program.
  • We have a digital equity program.
  • that</c> Watch program a vital program that Watch program a vital program that brings<01:56:28.239><c
Summary: The joint Ways and Means and Finance informational briefing on grants and aids was held February 14 and was organized as a high-volume public testimony session with strict procedures: no Q&A, one representative per applicant, one minute per testimony, in-person testimony first, and then Zoom participants. The chairs also announced a recess at 11:00 a.m. for floor sessions and a reconvening at 1:00 p.m. Testimony was heard first from neighbor island applicants, then Oʻahu applicants, with members repeatedly directing speakers to line up and keep remarks brief. Neighbor island testimony focused on a wide range of capital and operating requests. Health and community projects included Hawaii Island Community Health Center’s workforce housing in Kau, Wuli Hawaiian Homestead Association’s learning center and predevelopment work, Rescue Tube Foundation’s beach rescue tube expansion, Puna Community Medical Center’s planned hospital/ER campus, Maui Humane Society’s free veterinary care after the wildfires, Hawaiʻi Care Choices’ palliative care readiness, and the Lyman Museum’s HVAC replacement. Other requests included the Maui Advanced Manufacturing Alliance’s Pāʻia Mill redevelopment, Laua 2020’s preschool and learning lab, Mālama Aina’s USDA-compliant meat processing facility, the Hawaiian Lifeguard Association’s water safety programs, Kaha P Organization’s agriculture education support, Ohana Arts’ youth performance project, Friends of the Children’s Justice Center’s emergency closet, EOA Pacific’s Marshall Islands teacher training, and the Central Pacific Youth Athletic Club’s new facility. Oʻahu testimony included the YWCA Oʻahu/Pythink Center’s renovation of Juliet M. Atherton Hall and its community kitchen, West Oʻahu Community Health Center’s wildfire protection and security needs, the Early School’s playground improvements, Surfing the Nations’ food distribution center expansion, and Sounding Joy Music Therapy’s weekly services for people with disabilities. Speakers generally emphasized community benefit, workforce development, health access, food security, disaster recovery, and support for children, seniors, and underserved populations. No votes or formal committee actions were taken during the briefing.
CA
Transcript Highlights:
  • is what we're projecting, and saving on the rebate program in pharmacy. ...on the rebate program in
  • I'm not sure exactly when these programs began and when funding began for these programs, but it's been
  • I’m not sure exactly when these programs began and when funding began for these programs, but it’s been
  • to know which programs are more effective. ...as it invests more money in these programs to know which
  • programs are more effective.
LA

Louisiana 2026 Regular Session

House of Representitives Mar 9th, 2026

Transcript Highlights:
  • creation of the program, 571.
  • and blue envelope program; provide relative to the purpose of the program, 590.
  • House Bill by Representative Bryant: program for inmates; establishment of a programming pilot program
  • House Bill by Representative Geymann, Wildlife Rehabilitation Program; provide relative to program to
  • House Bill by Representative Dickerson, State Medical Assistance Program; utilization program process
Summary: The House convened with a quorum, opened with prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, and then received and processed multiple resignation notices and special-election proclamations for vacant seats. The chamber later recognized and swore in newly elected members Doyle Boudreaux, Reese Broussard, Chassity Verrett-Martinez, and Edwin Murray after no objections were raised to their qualifications. The House also appointed committees to notify the Senate and the governor that it was ready to conduct business for the 2026 regular session, and it adopted the proposed standing committee meeting schedule and referred prefiled bills to committee without objection. The bulk of the meeting was devoted to the introduction and reading of a very large number of House bills and resolutions across many subject areas. Measures included the annual appropriations bill, a proposed constitutional convention, carbon dioxide sequestration and pipeline permitting, retirement-system changes, criminal justice and public safety proposals, education and workforce measures, local government and district creation bills, insurance and liability reforms, and numerous commemorative resolutions. Several prefiled bills were withdrawn, and many introduced measures were assigned to committees or allowed to lie over under the rules. The House then entered a joint session with the Senate for the governor’s address. Governor Jeff Landry outlined his administration’s priorities and praised recent legislative actions on taxes, insurance reform, transportation, education, and fiscal discipline. He urged support for Amendment 3 on teacher pay and retirement, called for further workforce and health initiatives, defended insurance and transportation reforms, and pressed for judicial reform, especially in Orleans Parish, citing the death of Jacob Carter and failures in electronic monitoring as examples. He also promoted replacing the vehicle inspection sticker with a QR code system and highlighted economic growth, lower taxes, and infrastructure investments. The joint session also included a presentation of the colors by the Louisiana National Guard and a Distinguished Flying Cross ceremony for Technical Sergeant Adam W. Brister, recognizing his 2018 rescue mission in Alaska. After the governor’s remarks and the military honor presentation, the joint session concluded and the House resumed introducing additional bills, continuing to file measures on topics such as health care, education, ethics, elections, local districts, and constitutional amendments.
NM

New Mexico 2025 Regular Session

IC - Legislative Health and Human Services Jul 21st, 2025

Legislative Health & Human Services Committee

Transcript Highlights:
  • The different programs that are available.
  • You know, with the El Centro or Echo Cares program.
  • We plan to have a lot of programs going.
  • Hands-on programs for the youth.
  • We need to partner up with the state and any other program that can help us get that program off and
KY
Transcript Highlights:
  • </c><00:08:04.639><c> One</c> implement this program. One implement this program.
  • </c> to attract candidates to the program. to attract candidates to the program.
  • </c> director to conduct a program review. director to conduct a program review.
  • </c> as as uh completers of this program. as as uh completers of this program.
  • </c> apprenticeship program, workstations. apprenticeship program, workstations.
Summary: The subcommittee met without a quorum and did not approve minutes, but heard testimony on budget line items for Data Seam and Teach for America. Andrew McNeel of Kentucky Free and representatives from the Commonwealth Policy Center argued that both programs rely heavily on recurring taxpayer support and should be re-evaluated. McNeel cited a 2020 Office of Policy and Audit examination of Data Seam, saying the program had received more than $30 million in state support since 2006, including $3.5 million in the current budget, and that the audit raised concerns about administrative overhead, alleged threats to districts, and the use of line-item language to justify sole-source contracting. He recommended suspending Data Seam funding this biennium, directing a new special audit, and requiring reimbursement of audit costs. The witnesses also urged the committee to withhold funding for Teach for America, saying the organization’s materials and history showed a commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion that they opposed. They pointed to past statements, leadership titles, and program language as evidence that DEI concepts remained embedded in the organization, and suggested any funding should be redirected directly to school districts instead. Mike Harmon and Richard Nelson echoed those concerns, while also saying long-running programs should be periodically reviewed for efficiency. Teach for America Appalachia representatives then testified in support of the program. Executive director C.D. Morton described the organization as a teacher-preparation and leadership-development program serving rural eastern Kentucky, saying it had recruited and supported more than 325 teachers since 2011, with about 30 current core members in several counties and roughly 2,800 students impacted daily. He said the program helps fill hard-to-staff vacancies, that about 80% of teachers stay for a third year, and that many alumni remain in education. In response to questions from Representative Bojanowski about retention and cost, Morton said more than 60% of alumni are still in education, but he could not give a precise classroom-teacher retention number beyond the program’s broader alumni data.
CA
Transcript Highlights:
  • In all of these programs, including the literacy and math coach program, are supplemental to that funding
  • So, if you recall, prior to the Universal Meals Program, not all schools offered breakfast programs,
  • , National School Lunch and School Breakfast Program.
  • The kit program is critical to the success of the School Meals for All program.
  • meals for all program. 92% of LEAs opted into kit.
Summary: The committee heard a series of budget proposals focused on education finance, with repeated questions about whether the state’s investments are coordinated, targeted to the highest-need students, and likely to produce measurable results. On the first item, the administration proposed $1 million for a study of California’s curriculum framework, standards, and instructional materials process, plus $250,000 for supplemental ELA/ELD guidance. CDE and Finance said the study would examine how other states organize standards, frameworks, and adoptions, while the chair and members questioned why California has gone so long without updating some standards, what the study would actually accomplish, and whether the proposal was too vague to justify the cost. The issue was held open. The committee then took up a proposed $25 million statewide literacy network within the system of support. CCEE and CDE said the network would coordinate multiple existing literacy leads, create a clearinghouse of evidence-based resources, and improve coherence across the state’s many literacy initiatives. Members pressed on how a one-time, five-year allocation could support a long-term system, how the work would reach distressed and rural districts, and whether the proposal would translate into classroom change rather than just another layer of coordination. The issue was also held open. Next, the committee reviewed a $500 million proposal to expand literacy coaches and reading specialists and to create a math coaches program. CDE described the existing literacy coach cohorts as producing positive reports from participating LEAs, while the LAO recommended modifications, especially for the math coach portion, including limiting eligibility to elementary schools, setting minimum grant amounts, directing funds to eligible school sites, and making eligibility automatic rather than application-based. Members focused on whether coaches were actually being placed at the schools with the greatest need and whether the state has a coherent long-term strategy for literacy and math investments. The committee also heard a $40 million proposal for training and implementation of K-2 reading difficulty screeners, which the LAO said was reasonable but could be reduced because $25 million had already been provided for training; CDE said the new funds were needed for full implementation, procurement, and sustainability. Finally, the committee heard a $10 million proposal for a developmentally appropriate TK multilingual learner screener, with CDE explaining why the preschool language-identification process is different from K-12 EL assessment and the chair asking staff to explore whether a single, more consistent approach could be developed. The meeting concluded with a presentation on universal school meals and kitchen infrastructure, including a $31.5 million backfill, an $84.1 million increase for projected meal growth, a COLA adjustment, and $150 million for kitchen upgrades and training to support freshly prepared meals.
KY
Transcript Highlights:
  • Our program is the #ICan in the Trend program at the University of Kentucky.
  • They have to be in that program.
  • </c> shows when students work in this program shows when students work in this program for<00:25:38.840
  • </c><00:32:02.519><c> didn't</c> agreed that if the program didn't agreed that if the program didn't
  • </c> and the care with which the kyva program and the care with which the kyva program is<00:32:17.360
Summary: The Senate Education Committee met with a quorum and heard first from the Washway Nicotine Youth Advocacy Group, which urged stronger enforcement of Kentucky’s Tobacco 21 law. Youth advocates described the harms of flavored vaping products, argued that nicotine use is targeting children, and called for retailer licensing, annual compliance checks, harsher penalties for illegal sales, and more funding for enforcement. Committee members praised the presentation, and one senator said he had heard a bill on licensed retailers may be coming soon. The committee then heard a lengthy presentation from Cloverport Independent School District and the Kentucky Virtual Academy about the state’s virtual school model. Superintendent Keith Haynes and principals Brandy Fagan and Sally Johnson said KYVA serves about 2,800 students, many of whom are at-risk or have health, safety, behavioral, or family reasons for choosing virtual education. They emphasized that the program uses live synchronous instruction, provides devices and materials, and offers special education and related services. They also said the school had a large wait list and that virtual programs need more flexibility in staffing ratios, scheduling, and testing windows. School leaders acknowledged criticism of KYVA’s proficiency scores and said many students entered far below grade level, with 59% not proficient in English language arts and 79% not proficient in math on recent state testing. They argued the program is too new to judge solely on one year of data and pointed to growth in MAP scores, as well as middle and high school rankings in the top half of Kentucky schools. Fagan and Johnson outlined improvement efforts, including daily interventions, small-group instruction, literacy programs, staff training, and expanded clubs and student activities. No votes or formal committee actions were taken in the portion provided.
CA

California 2025-2026 Regular Session

Assembly Budget Committee Jun 29th, 2026

Budget

Transcript Highlights:
  • program.
  • the program on its original intent and protect the viability of the program and the benefits it provides
  • , but other housing programs that we have seen work, the multifamily housing program, low-income tax
  • program capacity.
  • We're continuing our investments in our early childhood education programs, not just those programs,
Committee: House Budget
AR

Arkansas 2026 Regular Session

EDUCATION- HOUSE EARLY CHILDHOOD SUBCOMMITTEE Mar 19th, 2026

EDUCATION- HOUSE EARLY CHILDHOOD SUBCOMMITTEE

Transcript Highlights:
  • program.
  • We do have programs that do both, and so typically what you see there is it'll be an ABC program...
  • It'll be an ABC program.
  • That is the biggest difference between the programs: on staffing for the ABC program, there has to be
  • I feel like we have shifted from federal program to state program and vice versa, what makes sense.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

House Transportation Finance and Policy Committee 2/12/25

Transportation Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • , talking about the program design, looking at some of the funding and finance aspects of the program
  • </c><00:02:08.160><c> talking</c> overview uh intro to the program talking overview uh intro to the program
  • </c><00:04:00.799><c> it</c> so there at the set of the program it so there at the set of the program
  • </c> movement at the time that the programers movement at the time that the programers created<00:04:
  • can be selected within the program.
MN

Minnesota 2025-2026 Regular Session

Hied Committee Meeting - 2025-04-03

Higher Education Finance and Policy

Transcript Highlights:
  • by all employers that want to use this program.
  • Program...
  • So the College Bound programs and programs like it are needed.
  • need people to be going into these programs.
  • I am a program advocate, so I speak about programming all the time.
FL

Florida 2025 Regular Session

March 5, 2025 - 10:15 AM

Transcript Highlights:
  • State programs.
  • Needy Families, or TANF, programs.
  • Needy Families or TANF programs.
  • the SNAP Employment and Training program and the Welfare Transition Program, which is for TANF recipients
  • public assistance programs.
Summary: The subcommittee met to receive an informational presentation from CareerSource Florida President and CEO Adrian Johnson, joined by Anthony Gagliano of CareerSource Suncoast, on the structure, funding, and services of Florida’s workforce development system. Johnson explained that CareerSource serves job seekers and businesses through 21 local workforce development boards and nearly 100 career centers, using federal and state funding streams such as WIOA, Wagner-Peyser, SNAP Employment and Training, and TANF. She described services including case management, training, wraparound supports, job matching, rapid response for layoffs and disasters, and business services such as recruitment, customized training, and on-the-job training. She also highlighted the REACH Act’s role in consolidating local boards from 24 to 21, creating the Master Credential List and Credential Review Committee, and implementing performance-based letter grades for local boards. Members asked detailed questions about funding formulas, letter grade metrics, apprenticeships, youth services, small business access, and the demand occupation list. Johnson said federal allocations are driven largely by unemployment and poverty formulas, which has reduced Florida’s WIOA funding by about $27 million over four years because of the state’s low unemployment rate. She explained the letter grades measure outcomes such as increased earnings, reduced public assistance, employment and training outcomes, work-based learning, business engagement, and service to individuals in certain programs, and said the system is being reviewed for possible changes, including removing extra credit and adjusting weights. On youth services, she said Florida has a waiver allowing a 50/50 split between in-school and out-of-school youth funding, and that local partnerships drive outreach. On the demand occupation list, she said it is based on state labor market data and projections, but local boards can submit evidence of local demand when data does not reflect conditions in their area. A substantial portion of the discussion focused on apprenticeships and workforce training grants. Johnson and Gagliano described apprenticeship navigators funded by the $7.75 million apprenticeship expansion allocation, which help employers navigate registration and expand apprenticeships into nontraditional fields such as IT, health care, education, and hospitality. Gagliano gave examples from CareerSource Suncoast and said navigators helped employers move faster through registration and develop programs with local education providers. Johnson also discussed Incumbent Worker Training Grants and Quick Response Training Grants, noting recent awards of nearly $3 million to 69 businesses and $6.5 million to 24 businesses, respectively, and said these programs are targeted toward high-skill, high-wage occupations and priority industries. The meeting ended with no votes or formal action; the chair thanked the presenters, invited follow-up questions, and adjourned the meeting without objection.
FL
Transcript Highlights:
  • It's a separate supplemental program.
  • Meyer, there's a separate supplemental funding program for the Florida Cancer Hospital program, so that's
  • all of our state-directed payment programs.
  • And certainly, looking at the cancer program, and I'm very familiar with the supplemental program that
  • And certainly looking at the cancer program, and I'm very familiar with the supplemental program that